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  • VTEC just kicked in yo: USN Ship ''C'' Values

    03. 11. 2008 18:16

LordKelvin
A few years later, this table is still incomplete, but the most important values are in
there. With only three ships missing the information, it's largely negligible. So, enjoy.

If any of you have read Adalbert's support guides (which I highly recommend) in Tips and
tactics, you'll notice that under Part 7, there's a formula that you can use to calculate
the base speed for your ship. Unfortunately, because it includes a constant unique to each
ship that isn't listed anywhere, you can't actually calculate the base speed of your ship
without knowing that constant. This constant, the so-called Ship "C" Value, can take a
considerable amount of time to calculate. Luckily for you, I've done the work for you.

The formula that you use to calculate the base speed of your ship is as follows:



where

Speed(base) is the base speed of your ship
C(old) is the Ship "C" Value unique to that ship
SHP is the Shaft Horsepower of the engine being used on the ship
disp is the amount of water (in tons) that the ship is currently displacing


Now, you may notice that this formula is different from the formula that Adalbert uses,
and that I use C(old) instead of simply C. The reason for this is, I'm using Adalbert's
old formula, which was changed while I was gathering data on the ships, and which I
continued to use to gather the data afterwards. Both formulas arrive at the same end
result, just that the new formula is somewhat more precise. But for those of you
interested, the conversion formula between the two Ship "C" Values is as follows:



where

C(new) is the Ship "C" Value used in Adalbert's current formula
disp(std) is the standard displacement for the ship in question
C(old) is the Ship "C" Value in my list

Note that you may lose some precision in the value when converting from the old value to
the new one.

So, finally, here is my current list of Ship "C" Values:

Fletcher - 7.47
Gearing - 8.26
Somers - 8.16
Gearing DDR - 8.38
Timmerman - 6.47
DDX Project - 9.04

Omaha - 11.5
Atlanta - 9.69
Juneau II - 9.7
Oakland - 9.7
Brooklyn - 10.35
Cleveland - 11.12
Texas

O Class - 9.05
S Class - 10.2
Barracuda - 15.91
Cachalot -

Northampton - 7.84
Portland - 8.05
New Orleans - 8.45
Baltimore - 9.265
Pensacola - 10.85

Alaska - 10.8
Nevada - 24.73
Guam - 10.8
New York - 21.35
New Mexico(1930) - 20.703
New Mexico(1945) - 20.708
Colorado - 24.05
Pennsylvania(1930) - 23.28
Pennsylvania(1943) - 23.28
Tennessee(1941) - 23.92
Tennessee(1945) - 24.22
Mississippi -
Sevastapol - 17.58
North Carolina - 14.31
South Dakota - 13.49
Iowa - 10.7267
Montana - 13.45
Nebraska - 15.5635

Bogue - 33.71
Independence - 9.59
Yorktown - 11.1
Essex - 12.01
Lexington - 12.078
Midway - 12.49

To find the base speed of your ship, simply use the first formula as above, input the
values, and round to the nearest whole number. That will be the base speed of your ship.
Note, however, that it gets somewhat vague if your resulting base speed hovers exactly
between two whole numbers, so when in doubt, try to induce measures to reduce the
displacement to move the base speed a bit higher, but if all else fails, round down to be
safe.

One final parting thought: these values are prone to change in resulting patches, with or
without notice, so take these numbers with a few grains of salt.
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  • Re : VTEC just kicked in yo: USN Ship ''C'' Values

    03. 17. 2009 14:55

LordKelvin
OK, big announcement:

I finally went and got the "C" values for the Monty and Lex, and spent a bit of time
to find the speed for the S class as well. As a result, the only values that I am
missing right now are for the unreleased SS4, as well as the Texas.

For all points and purposes, this table should be complete. However, if things
happen to change in the future, I will amend the table as such.

  • Re : VTEC just kicked in yo: USN Ship ''C'' Values

    03. 02. 2009 16:23

LordKelvin
It's more complicated than that. You need to figure out the "C" value at each
individual base speed and average them all.

Anyways, as I said, I can get the values from the Test Server if I need to. But since
I'm busy and lazy, it might take a while.

  • Re : VTEC just kicked in yo: USN Ship ''C'' Values

    03. 02. 2009 15:54

V2CxBongRipz
Is this what you need to figure out the C value of the Lexington?
Displacement: (full bulge) 43361 (no bulge) 36160
Base speed: 26 (28)
SHP: 198000

  • Re : VTEC just kicked in yo: USN Ship ''C'' Values

    03. 02. 2009 11:55

LordKelvin
As I said, the value itself fluctuates as your cruise speed changes with displacement, so
I use the practical average for my calculations. At low displacements (such as an empty
ship without even guns) the "C" value is higher, but as you start eating up displacement
the value gets smaller incrementally. The currently published values should work for
properly set up ships (that is, carrying the recommended guns on all R mounts).

  • Re : VTEC just kicked in yo: USN Ship ''C'' Values

    03. 02. 2009 11:50

richardphat
Assuming that the shp and displacement affect you base speed,
I didnt think it would requiere more things to determine c value.
Thx for the reply though, I was curious on how you were doing it.
But cheers, hope you will find them soon! ^_^

  • Re : VTEC just kicked in yo: USN Ship ''C'' Values

    03. 02. 2009 09:20

LordKelvin
"C" value in and of itself is not an indicator of how fast a ship is, it has to be
combined with the most powerful engine that the ship can fit, as well as how low you can
get your displacement on a feasible setup.

In other news though, access to the Test Server is a good thing. I have added the "C"
values for most of the SS (I have to rebuy the S class since I forgot to get the "C" value
while I had it), but thanks to Test Server access the values for the New Mexico,
Tennessee, and Midway are now available, leaving only the Texas, Montana, and Lexington
on the list. Once I have the time I'll retrieve those values and add them to the list.
I'll also personally test the Tennessee and New Mexico once I get those on the regular
servers, my two BOs are riding Atlanta right now.

  • Re : VTEC just kicked in yo: USN Ship ''C'' Values

    03. 01. 2009 21:41

richardphat
Sry for infiltration XD


=P Forgive me for the bump. But when it comes to math I just can't resist it....
So LK,
cruising on gneisenau:

Engine
using BC1 engine which gives 182600 horsepower

Displacement(Note that I adjusted by playing with the sailors,removing,adding
recruits to give a better result)
Maximum displacement for 30knots= 27816 tons
Minimum displacement for 30 knots=26173 tonns

As you can see the base speed was 30knots;
I managed to find (11,5 +/- 0,2) as c value.

Can you tell me if this is good?

  • Re : VTEC just kicked in yo: USN Ship ''C'' Values

    11. 23. 2008 15:08

UmbralRaptor
Very nice. We should petition to get this stickied. ;)

  • Re : VTEC just kicked in yo: USN Ship ''C'' Values

    11. 23. 2008 11:12

LordKelvin
Bumpage.

New values added for New York, Iowa, and Nebraska.



And before you ask how I got the Nebraska's C value without driving it post-patch, I
have my methods, mainly access to various resources due to my position as an
OpenNF tester.

  • Re : VTEC just kicked in yo: USN Ship ''C'' Values

    10. 03. 2008 00:55

blackhawk123
nice math skills, u should join nasa or somethin lawl
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