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  • What to do... H44/H39/AD

    01. 30. 2010 20:20

CLTwolverine
So...

After forever I have a BO at 103. My problem...

With H39 I was losing 3-4 out of every 5 games... usually my side gets slaughtered
no matter what I do. Also, it is annoying being in a ship that gets one shotted by
most anything BB4 and above. AD is far more damage resistant and I regularily do
better in it because I can take more than one salvo from a Monty, SY, L2, L1, etc.

Anyway, now that I can use H44... should I?

Gunners are 105 and even with 109 vets on each the spread in AD and H39 was still
not very tight... I doubt it will be any better with H44 lvl 100 guns (110 will probably
be even worse spread when/if I get that high and their damage is just as awful and
inconsistant as all other high level KM gun/shells).

My other issue is that I only have 3 Engin/3Rep/1 Scout at high enough level for
H44, so need to find another (will it work having a 4th engineer in like the 70's
range?)

I also assume that even in H44 if your crew is not good you are just going to be
food as usual for L2/SY/Monty as they are all near speed, far outhit/outsurvive you,
and the range advantage of like 2 mm is nothing helpful?

Just want some options on all these issues and how to proceed next.

Thanks,
In KM and food for every other nation (but that's normal)
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  • Re : What to do... H44/H39/AD

    06. 21. 2010 19:22

Verfallen
Depend on many more factor, but it surely helped you get back in tune with the KM
playstyle more than playing the Doria hack turnrate, hitbox and damage resistance would have.

The AD is not a school ship. Its an efficient way to level through if you already have
game experience (did 1-2 BB1 grind) as it has BB4 support slot for leveling sailors.

But the playstyle is definitively NOT KM.

  • Re : What to do... H44/H39/AD

    06. 21. 2010 06:20

JamesI
I levelled up KM the old way - Scharn - Gneis-Bissie-H39 and only got my AD much
later

I went away from the game for months - and return within touching distance of my
H44

Will i be advantaged by my lack of doria time?

  • Re : What to do... H44/H39/AD

    05. 17. 2010 19:26

Thelocura
H44 es el mas bajo de todos los bb5

  • Re : What to do... H44/H39/AD

    02. 26. 2010 15:00

downplease
I think people just get easily spoiled by AD.

On a side note, at least KM players have something positive to look forward to after H44.
IJN players just get a huge disappointment. Which, interestingly, makes the good IJN
players jump to UK and cause people to hate UK even more.

If played well, any of the BB4/5s can be deadly.

  • Re : What to do... H44/H39/AD

    02. 26. 2010 13:29

Admiral_dk
h44 will only get halfway decent if your spread becomes really good

my gunners were 114 when that happened

  • Re : What to do... H44/H39/AD

    02. 26. 2010 12:46

Audessy
In my experience......
I loved AD
I hated h39 - I don't understand why so many people swear by it when there's bb2's that
can hit harder than it.
When I got h44 I fell in love. However there's going to always be those games were you say
"I'm screwed" because of it's harsh disadvantages. So until I got Kaiser, the h44 and I
had a love hate relationship. But either way it's amazing compared to h39.

  • Re : What to do... H44/H39/AD

    02. 26. 2010 12:31

HeroEnVec
no need for moltke if you have high lvl crew going o-pro line,... unless you just want the
extra crew slots. DL is an Awesome AA platform and it just keeps getting better from there.

  • Re : What to do... H44/H39/AD

    02. 25. 2010 04:20

MightyAvatar
Must admit with Helmsman and Unholy - H44 and H39 are awesome ships, when you know how to
use them.

the fragility of the KM ships is not so extreme as often mentioned. In fact, when you fail
at driving BB4/5 anyone of them will be a 1-2 shot. Not seldom my H44 takes up to 80-100k
damage during the battle and i'm winning it with green state in the end.

True, not very often you will 1shot a BB4/5 - but it can happen, when you land lucky hits.
on the other side, even Monty and L2 can't 1hit you without crits.

Learn how to drive and dogde, use your advantage of lower angles and shorter traveltime of
your shots and you will be as dangerous as any other bb5

And the most important rule: DON'T EVER COPY THE AD PLAYSTYLE TO H39/H44 - drop the AD,
jump into Bismarck/O-Pro2 and learn the KM style if you can't handle H39/44

  • Re : What to do... H44/H39/AD

    02. 25. 2010 02:18

aingeal
what ouwak means is:

"KM is a great nation but their range advantage relies on subtility I heavily lack, thus
failing on playing the nation. Tough, since I dont want to admit that I might be the cause
of the fail, lets go to KM subforum and whine at the nation without brining any valid
point to support my view other than: "I dont get result with a nation, then the nation
must sux""

I missed somethin in thehelms post that I just saw.

His whole paragraph about being parrallel when firing to lessen the accuracy issue of the
ship lenght. Well its what slingshotting fix. True, KM hit less hard. Also true, that less
hard does not mean any ship can just shrug off the 44 salvo. Therefore, working to have
the best accuracy you can is always a +. Slingshotting completely suppress the ship lenght
factor, which is VERY useful.

Should you be unable to slingshot well tough, helms way is the way to go. DO know that to
really unlock the aggressive potential of KM tough, you'l need the slingshot in an
aggressive move to enhence your hit and run movement and get out of the way in time.
Without it, you need to be closer to the target, and your behind will be clipped by the
returning salvo.

Keep in mind aggressiveness is relative. what can be seen as an "aggressive" H44 would be
call a "conservative" L2.

Something I like doing, but it requieres that you have a good spread that you can count on
(gunner 110+) and accuracy with your angle: Get a first slingshot hit. Draw him into
rushing. Counter rush and finish the job. Done right nobody expect the Km ship to RUSH as
helms explained. Also the first shot has eaten enough SD so you only need one well aimed
shot to finish the fight.

I've rushed killed Monty and L2 in broad daylight that way.

If it is possible to cut off visual fast (single scout in AA range) then sometimes the job
gets easier. Personnaly H44 became by far my favorite BB5, and I've tried them all...safe
the alsace.

Maybe its just that my playstyle fit the line, but KM has by far my favorite ships. Safe
for BB2. Penn 43 just have captured my heart.

  • Re : What to do... H44/H39/AD

    02. 24. 2010 13:07

ChrisHansen
"Lowered armor for L2s???"
Yes no more L1 gunned AW rushing setup.

"They don't have range or speed. They have nothing.
Good thing i have usa line now. "

That IS what we have...
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