edited after sinking a few derelict BB's:
I tested the 2 8" guns in the BB test mission again.
Range difference was slightly over 1 inch on a 17" screen, zoomed out, or about 2-
2.3 full dots on the sightlines. That's more than the length of an Algerie.

But for the most part range doesn't matter anymore in blitz, it's rare that you find
ppl trying/staying at range.

Except for UK 8" ( slightly under 800) I cant remember what other 8" guns do for
damage, but I find the MN guns to do very light damage.
At max range the lvl 47 rarely tips the 550 per shell, while the lvl 42 peaks out at
450-470. Point blank the lvl 47 hits 750-770, while the lvl 42 hits 640-650.
This is in the test mission where BB's have no SD.
The 30 degree max angle doesn't help either for the lvl 47 guns, neither does the
rather bad spread on the both the 47 and 42 guns.

As for how bad the lvl 47 range already is:
I was drifting badly damaged heading north with my Algerie just hitting at my max
range on a Balti that was directly north of me and moving west to east.
That Balti shot over my ship, splashing behind my stern.
I had the north south advantage, yet he still had at least an Algerie's length more
range.

@ Danita.
[quote]Tourville holds 2 binds with the better 8 " gun, the lvl 47.
The lvl 40 8" has a lot less range making it absolutely the worst CA classed gun
there is.
Even the lvl 47 8" gets ranged already by all other 8" guns.

Btw with the same crew Tourville holds a higher base spd better.
When moving crew from Tourville to Algerie I had to drop 1 crew member to maintain
the same base speed on Algerie as on Tourville ( leaving 2 spots open on Algerie). [quote]

I have not had any problems using the lvl 40 8", with the lvl 47 8" I could only get 1
bind of ammo, I'll have to check that again. I have not had any problems taking out any
nation's CAs or BBs with the lvl 40 8"

I've been playing around with my Tourville and the lvl 49 3.9" guns. I do 45 cruise 60 OH
(not sure the cruise is right it might be a little higher) with 10 binds of ammo. pelting
ships to death on gradual is alot of fun :)

I was also shocked how much Tourville is inferior to Algerie. Could not find any
satisfying guns, at least it is fast. Most people go Lyon line, because it exp much
faster. I just hope Lorraine will make it up.

@ Ziplocke.
Tourville holds 2 binds with the better 8 " gun, the lvl 47.
The lvl 40 8" has a lot less range making it absolutely the worst CA classed gun
there is.
Even the lvl 47 8" gets ranged already by all other 8" guns.

Btw with the same crew Tourville holds a higher base spd better.
When moving crew from Tourville to Algerie I had to drop 1 crew member to maintain
the same base speed on Algerie as on Tourville ( leaving 2 spots open on Algerie).

After studying the ship info on Trainworld, can anyone explain to me why the
Gallissionnere and Tourville are 2 levels higher than but are inferior to their Suffren
and Algerie counterparts?

Specifically:

Gallissionnere vs. Suffren:
1 less R mount, 10 less space per R mount. 4 less T mounts (more space per mount,
though). 3000 less DP, and it uses a CL FCS.

Pros: Probably faster. It's a CL.
Cons: Much less firepower and durability. Less accuracy. 2 levels higher.
Neither can mount the 3.5" AA on all T mounts.

Tourville vs. Algerie:
1 less space per R mount (1 less bind?), 2000 less DP, useless T mounts. Less crew.
Pros: 800 more usable displacement.
Cons: Can't fit AA. 1 less support spot. 2 levels higher. Guns farther apart.


It seems to me like their levels should be reversed. The Tourville is similar to the
Algerie as far as firepower goes, but having 1 less spot to train crew is a big hit, at
least for me. Not to mention the worthless T mounts.
Meanwhile, the Gallissionnere appears to be almost the exact same thing as the
level 36 Emile Bertin, while the Suffren is a vast functional improvement over the
Jeanne D'Arc. The Gallissionnere is an Agano while the Suffren is a Cleveland.
Did I mention they're 2 levels higher?

I would very much like to go the Emile Bertin line, mostly because so many more
people chose the Jeanne. However, being non-premium, the Blitz grind looks like it
would be very long and painful.

[quote]
Algerie is better than Tourville, even though she's 2 levels higher.
The back and front turrets seem to be closer together, it can carry more than
Tourville's 2 binds for the 8" ( yey for 4.1 space requirements for an 8" shell) and it
has an extra support slot.
[/quote]

The Tourville fits 4 binds of ammo with the 8" gun.

Be careful looking at the info on trainworld for the MN ship tree.

I love the site, but i have noticed a few errors in the info.

ie it shows the Normandie as having 4 x 330 space slots. It's only 3.

Algerie is better than Tourville, even though she's 2 levels higher.
The back and front turrets seem to be closer together, it can carry more than
Tourville's 2 binds for the 8" ( yey for 4.1 space requirements for an 8" shell) and it
has an extra support slot.
Algerie can use 3 AA guns per side or 4 HH's per side, Tourville can't use AA guns or
5 HH's per side, but most will stick support on the T-slots anyway.
Algerie's overheat ratio is slightly better, but Tourville has 630 tons more useable
displacement.
Algerie has a lot more DP.

Further proof on how well SDE can design and balance ship(trees).

None of it is really important when choosing which line to pick, pick it on the
differences at BB1-2 and their upgrades.

on Nelson server *new one* the ammount of Courbet vs bretagne is extremely unbalanced.

I can say ive seen 3 bretagne, including 2 that were achieved in the last 1-2 days. Been
seeing a parade of courbet since saturday. People want to get the Lyon, for the massive
firepower.

I would personnaly go for the normandie tbh. I prefer speed to firepower on a BB2, as a
slow BB2 cannot hope to attack a BB4+ 1vs1, no matter the firepower.

I also am sad to say I saw few skilled courbet. But all 3 bretagne were to watch for. My
conclusion is: experimented player understand the advantage of the Normandie line, and are
able to use them. Less experienced player take the big guns, most obvious advantage in the
game, altough being a failure yourself fail a bit less with that line, I find potential of
it limited. The algerie and the Tourville are pretty much the same as far as I've seen
tough. Just not the same color.

well anyone have experinced in both line ? so we can say which one is better ?
I do see the emile bertin line seems to have low durability compared to JDA line.