you have one of the longtime KM player (splid) tellin ya its not workin and you are talkin
like we obviously dont know what we are talkin bout?

Ive been driving BBs for 2 years at least now, and im somewhat successful at it. And I
dont have any idea of what im sayin?

Seriously, its a BB4. Play it like one or stick to the Opro2.

@kessel

You fail. There is as much as understanding the theory of NF and the way to handle
battleship is universal. Also you are trying to prove the point using NF theory that
you
prove you aint that good with. runnin with the 14,96"= nearly no range gain due to
low angle.
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I'm not tryin to prove anything.

I do very well with a 12 gun H39 and have a hoot doing it.

Seems others are disputing my reality. But that's always the case when they have
no clue what it is they speak of.

I have fun, I do well, I'm a happy driver, who is silly enough to dispute that?

@audessy

slingin with the H39 works well yes. But never will slingin grant you the range of the 16"
with the 14,96.

And it still is more efficient to do it with the 16" as a defensive sling (one where the
back gun will reach farther, with a somewhat lesser pronounced front gun attack) can keep
BB5 at bay with those. I never had that much ease fighting BB5 with a BB4 than I did with
H39 with 16".

not with 14,96.

You also like making comparison that dont stand. The Nelson front gun rush. Its also a lot
sturdier than the H39, and the gun placement allows it to offer a really small target when
attacking. We aint talking about the same ship build at all, avoid comparing.

you still get ranged by bissy (and 2 shotted by them too) oneshotted by any good BB4+
salvo and you lost your major advantage vs them. Again you capitalize on someone failing
to keep their range to say the playstyle works. You again failed to bring an argument as
why its more useful, firepower asside and im not even convinced it outpowers the 16" that
much. I haven't seen much better than 25k salvo from my bissy, so id round up your salvo
around 40k. Nice. But the 16" can also punch for 30-35k.

5k isnt enough to sacrifice that much range. So this is why I think the firepower argument
doesnt stand.

So will you bring a valid one now? rather than using random exemple and sayin it does
damage to fail BB5s? Do not mistake skill with ship balance or setup effectiveness. It
can be used as a "fun" setup just like a USN colorado mini-monty setup, but in no way is
it more efficient than the 16" or should be considered a viable setup. it rapes noobs.
Thats it. Sadly anything rapes noobs. So i prefer having the setup that also gives me a
chance vs someone decently skilled.


@kessel

You fail. There is as much as understanding the theory of NF and the way to handle
battleship is universal. Also you are trying to prove the point using NF theory that you
prove you aint that good with. runnin with the 14,96"= nearly no range gain due to low angle.

@monarch

It's sad that BB play became like this. If there were no aircraft and everyone relied on
FCS range things would be much different. In fact people would probably use historical
armor such as belt armor's over 10 inches.

That's one way of looking at the situation.

However, another is natural selection. Why is there damn near universal agreement to use L
version guns and light HE shells? D and N version guns weigh less, reload faster and
rotate faster. Heavy or normal HE shells do drastically more damage and reload at the same
rate.

As I always say, people that play in theory have no idea of what they speak.

Sure you may be able to outrange me, but while running from/or dodging a torp
wall, or running from or dodging a sub, or running from or dodging a longer range BB
than you, or even engaging an equal range BB, you may be surprised when a 12
shell salvo heads your way.

But hey, If you have never played this set up, or never played against this set up,
you are certainly qualified to comment on it, because theory allows you to be much
smarter than an actual player.

This is a common afliction in all games, not just this one. Those that play/subscibe to
the cookie cutter build, have mandatory blinders provided with that build. All we can
do is laugh and hope they grow up sooner than later.

Chrishansen wrote: "Good luck getting into range in a BB room against a competent
player."

Did I not make myself clear that the setup sucks in a bb room? Yes. It's horrible.

@splid. I don't really know anyone willing to give up their account info to someone they
don't know. I'd gladly duel you though. Hell I'll even do 14.96 duals for a round just for
lol factor.

I think they fail to see the point Kessell.

16'' H39 can do very well without AAA. In fact it doesn't need AAA at all.

14.96'' H39 needs AAA, it's nothing without AAA.

So if you're used to RN or USN, you'll be better of in the 16''. If you're truly KM, you
can handle both setup, cause you'll be able to kill whatever scouts you, and then move for
the kill.

The best setup is the AAA equipped 16'' H39, no doubt about that, you'll be able to kill
scouts, move in and engage BB5-6's, and even get out before being scouted again.

But deeming the 14.95 a total fail??

rgds

I'm sorry, I just assumed that most would realize the obvious.

You change your set up, you change your tactics.

Now the Nelly drivers don't front the line, and neither do 12 gun H39s.

You don't get outranged is no one is shooting at you. So you're 10 seconds late to
the battle? I actually like to take out a sub or 2 while getting in position, and who
doesn't like less subs beside them?

To say the 12 gun H39 gets outranged is to say you play it silly. At least in GB/2
where I play.

"Range: Easy to deal with.
Step 1. Turn in and fire your fronts.
Step 2. Turn away and fire your rears."

That won't work. Find me a LionI account on your server and I will show you how wrong you
are.

"Why does this work? Because H39 is LONG. Your angle of attack has a major affect
on your range."

You think that will have a big effect on the range difference of LionI and H39? You are
wrong.

"Speed: A 44 kt L1? Big woop. I get 42 on mine. Not a valid argument."

It is a valid argument. Wrong.

"Firepower: It does hit harder than a L1. Capable of 1 shotting it in fact. Test it. I've
crippled
monty's into the red with it in one shot which is pretty good for a bb4. You're lucky to
get that on h44. "

(You won't be in range, this means nothing). This is like Montana vs LionII, and lets
face it, a montana should never beat a LionII if the LionII is skilled.