"Unfort KM is the worst accuracy nation...

Everyother nation will be able to land full salvo's on you (usually resulting in single salvo
deaths) (Monty and L2 pretty much one shot all KM ships)...

Meanwhile, if you are lucky enough to survive the first salvo, you'll be lucky to land 2 or
maybe 3 shells of a salvo on enemy BB, the reload advantage doesn't help as other
nations BB's can take many many shell hits from KM to get sunk, let alone damaged..."

- Like aussie said, H44s can also do full salvos with a very nice spread. The reload also
helps a lot. IMO the SYs have worst bb5 spread + bad hang time, and also my favorite
targets (Food). 2nd will be Montys (Juicy). L2s will be the toughest (everybody knows it).

"lets say you shoot 5 salvos in the time they shoot 3 (they are landing 20+ shells to
your maybe 6-10) your best bet is running and hoping they chase you... until you run
out of map space and have to turn, then letting them rush in and sink you easily...

Ah the life of KM... "

- If your being rushed (Like most L2s do), counter-rush them and play with angles. This
comes down to who really knows their angles (effective tactic for me). But if you do not
know your angles, you should run... and fast.

Learn the slingshot thingy + AA and youll be surprised how H44 becomes a beast.

~ still waiting for H44 guns gets buffed and i want it asap.(i.e. 16.5s or the 18s.) =]

Good hunting!

hmmm useful stuff, but I got lvl 84 +12acc gunnerz wid a premium boost. how long
will it take the 14.96L trips get reasonable grouping? the grouping i have presently
is like... Opro sized with a varying millimeter difference and excess...

Okay, thanks Kin. I haven't been around much in the last while, so I can't really
remember what changes were undergone in that patch.

Anyway, I've been experimenting with new setups in GB2, and I have to say that the
Gneisenau with triple 11"Ls (second set) fares quite well if you have good engineers.

I'm using 5 engineers with bases of 8, 10, 10, 11, and 11. I have a scout (obviously).
In the T slots I equipped two repairers of 10 and 11 base respectively. Then, of course
my main gunners and my BO.

The engineers are between L86 and L97, all with at least 100 vets
The scout is 102 (and ghosted)
The gunners are L103, base 12/10 with 130 vets
The bridge operator is as ghosted as is reasonable
The repairers are L95 and L96 respectively (as above listed), with at least 100 vets
I have 5 binds of LHE ammo and 1 bind of AP ammo

I can fit 0.2" belt armor and about 58 bulge and still go 49 knots in OH with all three
guns fitted.

Long story short: A fast ship with nice OH time is very hard to hit and can nearly
outrange a chasing L2. Enemy BBs tend to focus on you since you appear to be rushing,
while the BB456 from the line destroy them.

Pick up 30-100k attack, finish off a couple BB456s, run down the flag, shared exp system,
and the rest is history. I was making 40k experience on a consistent basis despite the
large difference between crew level and ship level. Not a lot for a serious player, but
more than plenty for the casual gamer like myself.

If you have the crew, you should try it sometime.

11" 2nd set range was not touched and is still equal to L1 range. 14.96" 2nd set range was
increased to be just slightly below 11" 2nd set range.

But the damage is so much better...

Everyother nation will be able to land full salvo's on you (usually resulting in single salvo
deaths) (Monty and L2 pretty much one shot all KM ships)...

Mmmm I disagree with your stand point. I can tell you now i have landed a lot of full
salvos on BBs of all kinds. Sure the spread is not perfect but an entire salvo still drops
the SD of the enemy real low and to add to the cake the reload might even let you land 2
salvos pretty much killing them. And as for the 1 shot idea for KM just don't get in range
and or don't go broadside because that would be your own stupid fault for getting killed

Does the Bismarck still have near-L1 range? I thought the patch adjusted the trip 11s to
a lesser range, ruined the spread a little, increased the second set 14.96s to greater
range than the first set, and fixed the weight/space problems on the Bismarck with the
first/second sets.

I'm not sure whether or not the Bismarck's second set of 14.96"L can compete with L1 range
anymore...

bismark's at lvl spread is godly compared to other BB3s, you have more range, a lower
angle and decent firepower. At any rate, no other BB3, unless they have a lucky spread,
can beat you at level. Only thing: if you are dumb enough to let a PoW with quad Ns in
range, you'll get blocked out of the game.

But sodak, NC and nagato's spread doesnt allow them to land a full salvo or even near, and
they cannot take more than 2 shot from a bissy without being totally crippled or sunk. a
full salvo will cripple them also, and they aren't that rare.

Bissy's buffing overpowered it. Seriously, i dont see what there is to whine about with
this ship that is an hair under L1 range.

Unfort KM is the worst accuracy nation...

Everyother nation will be able to land full salvo's on you (usually resulting in single salvo
deaths) (Monty and L2 pretty much one shot all KM ships)...

Meanwhile, if you are lucky enough to survive the first salvo, you'll be lucky to land 2 or
maybe 3 shells of a salvo on enemy BB, the reload advantage doesn't help as other
nations BB's can take many many shell hits from KM to get sunk, let alone damaged...
lets say you shoot 5 salvos in the time they shoot 3 (they are landing 20+ shells to
your maybe 6-10) your best bet is running and hoping they chase you... until you run
out of map space and have to turn, then letting them rush in and sink you easily...

Ah the life of KM...

I found KM BB2's to have Verry accurate guns, and BB3's to have bb3 spread. Don't expect
bismark to fire as accurately as gne. they are totally different types of ships. When
you get H39-H44, they will play like Bismark.

Anyway, my level 92 gunners are nowhere close to what can be seen in GB's.