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  • so,i got to bismarck

    06. 11. 2010 17:29

SamuelLee
i used a doria to grind to bismarck.......the doria isn't easy to hit so theres not a need
for high SD

but now i'm a bigger and better target i need sd

how do i raise my sd? (no i wont buy a crap load of expert packs........again.)


my bo is level 80

gunners 86
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  • Re : so,i got to bismarck

    06. 15. 2010 23:00

Verfallen
ok first.

There are NO miracle way to get your SD up without investing either money or lots of time.

Well there is a restorer, but if you do that, you'll beat yourself to a pulp for taking
that crap decision at BB4-5 level.

Used to be able to rapid shoot the CV in AA mission but they nuked that.

So the only way is AAing a lot in GB and GB2, and its a small bonus. Then burning away,
preferably with the prem +50% bonus, and in an event.

Next, what always help is having a decent crew.

For KM you normally should have:

5 or 4 engies
3 or 4 reps (basically 8 rep/engies, whatever the setup you prefer between 5/3 and 4/4)
2 AA gunners

(Should I mention BO, gunners and scout? Hope not)

Stop the AA at lvl 80. Reason is, you wont rotate those after hitting 89, they'll get a
permanent spot on your H39/H44. So they'll hit 115 in time for kaiser.

That would mean your bissy has 4/3 or 5/2 setup, depending on where you are in your crew
rotation, or in what crew setup you chose at first. I dont advise going under 4 engies on
the bissy tough.

If you dont have this, then go level a 2nd BO with what you are missing, will help a great
deal.


Now bout the ship itself: It got nearly BB4 range (a L1 cannot efficiently use its range
against you and from what I saw it ranges the Richie) it got a decent punch, a good at
level spread compared to all BB3s, safe UK block BB1 ranged rush quads, and it does have
the potential to reach 42 knot well enough.

It aint an O2 rushing wise but its not too bad at it done right, given the low angles. It
however cannot take a beating and is in fact a somewhat large target, so ensure you can
get in range ignored or unoticed (busy or blind target) and you can quickly finish the
fight. With bissy 3 shot do the trick even with BB5s. Remember they only need a single
good salvo to take you out.

But eh, ya know the proverb. Fortune favor the bold ;) Some risk might fail, but others
pays quite nicely. Just dont be stupid about it.

The AA is workable at best, but since you leave your AA gunners at 80, they prolly wont be
on the ship for long. So try to learn how to dodge DB well. Its hard with bissy but possible.

So overall? Bissy is hands on the best BB3 out there, with silver medal sodak following
quite close behind.

They give you a great hull. Now its your job to fill it with a crew worthy of it and
command it with a brain that goes farther than "aim, shoot, repeat"

  • Re : so,i got to bismarck

    06. 14. 2010 12:59

MadPuffin
yeah.. bismarck is way under powered for AA.. its such a shame..
you can see dual guns on the ship in the shipyard... it would be nice if SDE
activated them for use...
it should beable to out do a moltke for AA i figgure. but thats in a perfect world
where NF doesnt crash ever :P

  • Re : so,i got to bismarck

    06. 14. 2010 09:54

thepingman
Well, I think the Bismarck hit box is contribute to their attention like others said too.

At the moment I just think of other reason for them to try to bomb Bismarck first. let's
see...

- Turing force is bad, meaning that some maneuver technique other BB used to dodge Bombers
won't work effectively on Bismarck (and H39/44), even if you can pulled it of PERFECTLY
the Huge hit box still guaranteed that some Bombs/Torpedoes will hit you anyway.

The Gneisenau has quite bad turning force and big hitbox too, but her ridiculously fast
speed (even with at level non-$$$ Engineers, I still get around 30/46-47!) compensate for
it and allow her to dodge them most of the time.

- AA capability, Gneisenau, H39/44 can put up a good broadside AA, so the risk is quite
high that they will lost most if not all Bomber squad trying to bomb these ships. Provided
the driver's AA skills is good.

Bismarck, on the other hand, had poor AA (6 shells broadside at best) mean that, even if
you have a good AA skill, you still able to down around 1/4 - 1/2 of Bombers coming at you
at best, or not down any at all, if the shells spread is bad.

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Back to the topic

For the SD, my SD is at 400 when I first got him, and now, with H39 level crew, I still
get around 500 at best! (because I used non $$$ crews only) But I still see no problem
using Bismarck (well, except when I first got him, it's frustrating.), I may get low
attack in some games, since I have to play it in much safer ways. (otherwise, I'll be the
first to die.)

The trick is try not to get hit at all, at least from enemy BBs, the technique is already
stated in this forums several times (AA enemy scouts, Attack at max Range, etc.), for
Bombers, Try to shoot them down as much as possible before they reach you. And dodging
them even it's hard to success, if lucky, some bombs will miss, mean you take less damage.

Well, try your best in the KM career. ^ ^

And correct my comment too if I'm wrong at some point, thank you. ^ ^

  • Re : so,i got to bismarck

    06. 13. 2010 15:25

richardphat
Because
-bismarck is relatively slow.
-Huge hitbox.
-Nearly impossible to dodge DBs


AND OMG IT"S THE FAMOUS BISMARCK! SINK IT!!!!

  • Re : so,i got to bismarck

    06. 13. 2010 14:38

bleachrulezz
Feed SDE money, and they'll give you SD. (Vet and expert packs)

  • Re : so,i got to bismarck

    06. 13. 2010 13:36

Dark_Shadow
kinda fat, not armoured (well it really shouldn't be IMO), somewhat slow (well it can be
fast too though).
buuut... the usual argument is : It's KM! shoot it!
that's my guess.

or it's perhaps just that it somehow manages to be in a wrong place/time.

"""""so,i got to bismarck"""""

time for UK.

:P

  • Re : so,i got to bismarck

    06. 13. 2010 10:32

Menace1
I'll give that a shot then. I've mostly been hanging back and AAing for most of the GB2s I
play, seeing as I'm easy food on the frontlines. It's also the only way to get any kind of
decent credit gain from GB2.

EDIT: One last question, slightly rhetorical. Why is the Bismarck every CV's favorite
whipping boy in GB2? No matter what other ships may be around me, regardless of their
damage taken or class or gold, it always seems to be me that is singled out for db/tb runs.

  • Re : so,i got to bismarck

    06. 13. 2010 05:53

hyz980517
go back to ad/moltky, and aa for experts.

  • Re : so,i got to bismarck

    06. 12. 2010 19:15

richardphat
I would suggest you to hold the aa gunners for a while. Running AA on km bb3 at level and
the poor T slot numbers will make you want to kill yourself.
From kmbb4+ using aa is definately worth.

  • Re : so,i got to bismarck

    06. 12. 2010 17:50

Menace1
The change from Gnei to Bismarck is worse imo. Going from 29/47+ to 25/37 is a pretty big
change. They're similar size, but the Gnei is so much more nimble. I finally gained a knot
on my Bismarck after my 3 engies hit 81, but it still isn't fun being outrun by most of
the BB4/5 that populate GB2. I'm assuming 516 sd is normal for an at-level Bismarck crew
with AA?
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