Great Thread.

IJN DBs are the best of the original 4. If you are lazy and want early success, go IJN DB.
They are awesome.

If you are building for the Future 90+ go TB, two of them to go with your 6 Fighters
and you can with 2 waves wipe out any late BBs that are alive and immune to AA.

IJN Tbs are worth it i usually use them as a distraction for the Ftrs cuzz the for one TB plane can distract Ftr for
30-80 seconds

Level up some TB's along with DB's. It's not like you have to choose one over the
other.

There are several advantages to TB's:
- They are more difficult to shoot down. When auto-bombing, the abrupt change in
height will throw off most AA ships. When manual-bombing, most AA-ships will have
difficulty in firing at your planes as they glide along at sea-level.
- Once you destroy a BB's bulge, it's gone for good. Bulge does not regenerate over
time like SD. Even if they run off and repair, another wave will kill them.
- It is easier to hit smaller ships with torpedoes. DD's, CL's, and submarines are very
vulnerable to a good torpedo attack. Submarines are especially easy pickings at the
beginning of a match when they are still on the surface.

They do, however, have two big disadvantages:
- Most BB's carry an absurd amount of bulge to protect themselves from submarines.
It may take three, or even four full waves of torpedoes to kill a BB. Your best bet in
these cases is to spot which ships are either a) Already damaged by either Kita or
sub torps and aim for those, or b) Armored, since ships with lots of deck armor
generally don't pack a ton of bulge.
- BB's can easily dodge torps if you don't pick the correct attack angle. You have to
bring your bombers in close in hopes of making more hits count, thereby exposing
them to high concentrations of AAW.

Dive Bombers have their own advantages:
- They are easier to use and aim. Point and spam-click generally suffices.
- You can easily kill or cripple BB's with a single wave of planes. Low-level BB's will be
one-shot. No need to break through bulge.
- The are more difficult for BB's to dodge. Usually, all you have to do is wait a bit for
their overheat to run out, then nail them.

Disadvantages:
- They are easier to shoot down. Most CV drivers tend to leave DB's at default
height, since that's where they need to be for auto-bombing, leaving them vastly
exposed to enemy AA.
- Manual bombing is far more difficult with dive bombers than torp bombers.
- It's difficult to kill smaller ships, since they tend to be more maneuverable.
- They still need to break through SD to damage higher level BB's. A few waves may
be necessary. If a BB is not killed outright, they are able to run off and repair, restore
their SD, and make all your effort worthless.
- Smoke will throw off your targeting lock.

Overall, I would choose DB's over TB's. DB's are easier to use, do more damage, and
aren't negated as easily as TB's. Still, there's no harm in training some of each.

Some people have bulge other dont, some more deck other none, Its much
the same with AA, just because RN has some of the poorer heavy and slower
AA guns dosent mean you don't have to bother, they are effective just not as
much so as KM.

In simple terms I see TBs and DBs reguardless of which one has higher
damage or if its better than another nations plane or damage as something
worth having. Best example below.

TB are like AP and DB are like HE rounds. If you go into combat with just one
type of round, you will find at times you wish you had some of the other.

your about 50/50. yeah the bombers become aaw immune but most people armor deck and belt
1st then only enough bulge b4 they lose speed. it ture ask 90% of bb players

From what I know from my limited cv us is that both have a use sometimes
one more than the other. If you choose not to have TBs because they aren't
the best for damage typicaly in game or worse just because some other nation
might have a higher damage torp then you are limiting your options. If best in
damage vs other nations TBs is your biggest issue or DB or even fighters for
that matter you will never be happy because I don't see one nation that has
the best of everything.

Its true TBs are poor when bulge is high, but are effective at hitting subs, close
ff/dd and aa ships to clear the way for DBs.

DBs are the basic big ships hitter, but as the ships go down in size it can make
the DBs miss alot, which if you miss then its no better than a TB vs bulge. And
the fact DBs tend to suffer more from AA.

If damage was everything why would anyone play KM.

US has the best DB? Try MN.

Out of the 4 original nations IJN had the best DB's.

Personally I hate TB's. They don't actually do more damage in game. Just on paper.
Why? Because most people are smart enough to use the 0.2 belt trick which cuts
torpedo damage nearly in half.

-DB's are not slower. They're actually much much faster.
-Every ship uses bulge. Thank you subs. Not fun eating (???) bulge every target.
-DB's don't have to be high level or BVE to be effective.
-Shell/bomb crits happen far more often than torpedo crits.
-Can use air transports.
-Manual DB is more surprising than manual TB. You can fake like you're going to
attack something else easier.

The only advantages a TB has is:
-You can stop an enemy from running by torping from behind.
-Easier to attack small targets and submarines.
-Higher Durability.

us has best db ijn has one of the best

my ship is trouble

When I got my oyodo, I only had a TB pilot, so I had to use only TBs for a while. i liked
them a lot in blitz, but in GBs they were useless except for against subs. And there was
one time when a nelson with no more bulge stopped in a cloud. Yeah, I got a lot of
attack from those 5 torps...