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    12. 11. 2010 07:05

Briztama
FIRST PART (read the caps locked texts)

have you ever heard (or even see) hood and PoW versus bismark and CA prinz eugen? its a
real story of world war 2 (of course)

the battle is called 'Battle of Denmark Strait' At approximately 05:30 on Saturday 24 May,
as the German squadron was about to leave the Denmark Strait, Prinz Eugen's hydrophones
detected the presence of two additional ships some distance to port (means the german
radar is much better). By 05:45 both were in sight, although the German force had not yet
identified the enemy force. It turned out to be a British battle-group comprising the new
battleship Prince of Wales, and the ageing battlecruiser Hood, under the command of Rear
Admiral Lancelot Holland. Prince of Wales had only recently been completed and was still
being worked up . Hood had been built as a battlecruiser and modified to give her
protection more like a battleship, but still had relatively WEAK DECK ARMOUR. The Germans
were not surprised that they had been detected by British ships, but that they would turn
out to be capital ships was an unexpected development.[26]

At 05:49 Holland ordered fire to be concentrated on the leading enemy ship, Prinz Eugen,
believing it to be Bismarck. Fortunately for the British, the captain of Prince of Wales
was soon to realise the error and changed his target. Holland amended his order on the
correct ship to be engaged but this did not reach Hood's gunnery control before the first
salvo. Hood fired the first shots of the battle at 05:52, in daylight, followed very soon
afterwards by Prince of Wales. The range to the German ships was c. 12.5 miles (20.1 km).
The first salvo from Hood landed CLOSE to Prinz Eugen, BUT ONLY causing MINOR shell
splinter damage near the aft turrets (means german shells better).

More than two minutes went by without a reply from the German ships, before Captain
Lindemann ordered fire to be returned on the lead British ship. This was Hood, which the
Germans had identified only when the British squadron made a turn towards them at 05:55.
This manoeuvre was undertaken, it appears, in an attempt to place themselves in the "zone
of immunity," an area inside which both plunging fire, in particular, and direct enemy
fire is relatively ineffective. Closer in, Hood would be less vulnerable and the advantage
of SUPERIOR GERMAN GUNNERY CONTROL would be lessened. The disadvantage was that, during
the dash, eight of the eighteen British heavy guns could not be brought to bear.

Both Bismarck and Prinz Eugen opened fire on Hood at a range of 11 miles (18 km). The
early GUNFIRE FROM THE GERMAN ships was VERY ACCURATE and within two minutes Hood had been
HIT by at least one 8-inch shell from Prinz Eugen. It struck the British ship near the
mainmast and caused a large fire which Hood's crew tried to bring under control (wew, UK
ships sure weak). Prinz Eugen hit Hood three times during the engagement (nice range for a
CA) however, Bismarck had also been HIT by Prince of Wales SHELLS, BUT ONLY causing a fuel
leak from the forward tanks (UK weak shells); therefore L?jens ordered his cruiser to
switch its guns towards Prince of Wales, which his own secondary guns were now targeting.
Bismarck survivor Baron Burkard von M?lenheim-Rechberg initially claimed that the hits on
his ship were scored by Hood with her third salvo; however, it is equally likely that
these hits were scored by Prince of Wales, as it is clear that Hood was TARGETING Prinz
Eugen for the MAJORITY OF THE BATTLE and that the order to change target to Bismarck saw
MOST OF HER SALVO'S fall between the enemy ships (i other world, MISS), HITTING NEITHER
(UK bad accuracy). At 05:54 the range was down to 22,000 yards (20 km); at 05:57 it was
down to just 19,000 yards (17 km). Bismarck then fired a fourth salvo which was slightly
long and astern of Hood. At the same time Holland had ordered "2 Blue", a 20-degree turn
to port. Before the ship began a turn to port Hood fired a fifth salvo at 05:59:30.


At 06:00 Hood, which was in the process of turning to port to bring her full weight of
armament to bear on Bismarck, WAS HIT amidships by at least ONE SHELL FROM BISMARCK'S
fifth salvo at a distance of under nine miles (16,500 yards) (nice accuracy). Very shortly
afterwards observers on both sides (aka Bissy and PE) saw a HUGE JET OF FLAME race
skywards, followed by a rumbling explosion that SPLIT THE HUGE SHIP (hood) IN TWO (weak
ship it is -_-). Splinters rained down on Prince of Wales, 400 yards (370 m) away. Hood's
stern rose and sank shortly before the bow, all WITHIN THREE MINUTES (sure sunk fast).
Admiral Holland and 1,415 CREWMEN (!!!) went down with the ship. ONLY THREE MEN (Ted
Briggs, Bob Tilburn, and Bill Dundas) survived (oh nuts UK ships weaakkk). They were
rescued about two and a half hours later by the destroyer Electra. The British Admiralty
later concluded that the MOST LIKELY EXPLANATION FOR THE LOSS OF HOOD WAS A PENETRATION OF
HER MAGAZINES by a SINGLE (SINGLE???) 15-inch shell from Bismarck, causing the subsequent
CATASTROPHIC EXPLOSION (1 KM shell wreak havoc's on UK ship).

Prince of Wales had to turn towards the German fleet to avoid hitting the wreckage left by
the flagship and was HIT a number of times by gunfire from both German
ships. Still, her own gunfire had caused damage to Bismarck (sigh, a little resistance).
The British battleship turned away, laying smoke, her aft turret firing briefly under
local control BUT She had received SEVEN HIT (three of them from Prinz Eugen) and
MECHANICAL FAILURES had caused intermittent problems with her main guns and her aft turret
jammed as she turned away (salvo from KM CA can make a hard day for UK BB, too)
The death of HMS Hood; a smoke cloud fills the sky above Hood's position, just after the
ship exploded

At 06:03 Prinz Eugen, which at that point had fired 183 20.3 cm shells, reported propeller
noises to starboard, bearing 279?and 220? Bismarck and Prinz Eugen were forced into
emergency manoeuvres and sighted a Sunderland flying boat shortly afterwards.[35] Although
Captain Lindemann wanted to chase Prince of Wales and "finish her off," Admiral L?jens
ignored his suggestions since delay risked the possibility of encountering other heavy
enemy ships. In a battle lasting LESS THAN 20 minutes BISMARCK and her consort (KM ships
:)) had DESTROYED one enemy CAPITAL SHIP AND FORCE ANOTHER TO WITHDRAW (in 20 minutes ftw)

At 08:01 Bismarck made the following transmission to Group North:[35]

Despite the jubilation on board Bismarck, the battleship was not safe. The British knew
her position, her forward radar was out of action and she had received three hits, one of
which caused water to leak into and contaminate fuel oil in storage. From then on,
Bismarck had to reduce speed to a maximum of 20 knots (37 km/h) to conserve fuel (hehe
good job brits). L?jens eventually decided that he would have to head for the French
coast (the dry-dock in Saint-Nazaire) for repairs, while ordering Prinz Eugen to continue
commerce raiding alone. The British continued to shadow her, Prince of Wales having
rendezvoused with Norfolk and Suffolk. To enable his consort to escape, L?jens turned on
his pursuers and forced them to turn away, thus allowing Prinz Eugen to steam on out of
British radar range. The plan was to be executed on the signal "Hood." L?jens' first
attempt failed; however, at 18:14, a second attempt succeeded. The two German ships parted
and Bismarck signalled GOOD HUNtiNG (yeah KM ships ROOOCCKKSS)

SECOND PART

ok i straight to the conclusion:
it took 2 torpedo bombers and 16 ships (one of them are Nelson-->UK BB3) to kill 1 KM BB3
(Bismarck) if Nelson go toe to toe with Bismarck, she will suffer the same fate as Hood >:)

---END---
well thats my suggestion of KM BBs
if this game insist to keep UK BB has greatest-shell-damage and greatest-armor and make KM
ships has heavy and (very) weak armor and least shell damage, they should read this.
OR AT LEAST increase the KM shell damage (to almost equal to US) and lessen the weight of
KM armors :)

this is my opinion, if you have opinion (and of course, proof) that UK BB is a greatest BB
nation with uber armor and shell-damage (in WW2, not this game-->beacuse i alread,y know
it in this game) feel free to post it in this topic :D
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  • Re : about KM BB....

    03. 30. 2011 00:12

leaderwolf
Ignore all is use net connection and is fell smart is cant read the books 'cos is to lazy .
Nice topic ignore the spammer high lvl,i cant named but is live in dino's fleet.

Don't forgot the Bismark is use analogic* lamps computer''- fire control(guns) do see
thatin NF?No because('cos) $DE and puppies is fallen in NF=/=real and is=Sci FI is cut
any Germans tech for false balance.
Bismark we must have the great hit in any battle 'cos is only real king BB of ww2.

Iowa is adopt afterww2 the computer(*) fire control and is better like NF manual sh*t.
use wickyyyypedia spammer to find if is a fair information.
Tirpitz is a real fear factory for allied with refixed* shells(explode)is remain only the
king of Sea before chicken attack bomb,detonation charge and minisub.That is war.
Just wrong head in Bismark and unlucky(door hit) day is favor the RN pathetic BB.
Again don't forgot the Bismark is have a wotansteel(in some parts)and that is superior to
any allied armor,not only allied shell can penetrete* the belt or guns turret or torps
internal structure.
P.S i don't use copy past like other spammer so.. bad enghlese*

  • Re : about KM BB....

    03. 25. 2011 05:01

KinLuu
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USS Washington sunk IJN Kirishima (Kongo class). And... that's about the only BB vs
BB
action the US Navy saw.
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Fail. How could you forget about the Battle of Surigao Strait?

Straight from the wiki:

At 03:16, West Virginia's radar picked up the surviving ships of Nishimura's force at a
range of 42,000 yd (38,000 m) and had achieved a firing solution at 30,000 yd
(27,000 m). West Virginia tracked them as they approached in the pitch black night.
At 03:53, she fired the eight 16 in (406 mm) guns of her main battery at a range of
22,800 yd (20,800 m), striking Yamashiro with her first salvo. She went on to fire a
total of 93 shells. At 03:55, California and Tennessee joined in, firing a total of 63
and 69 14 in (356 mm) shells, respectively. Radar fire control allowed these American
battleships to hit targets from a distance at which the Japanese battleships, with
their inferior fire control systems, could not return fire.[4][10]

The other three US battleships, equipped with less advanced gunnery radar, had
difficulty arriving at a firing solution. Maryland eventually succeeded in visually
ranging on the splashes of the other battleships' shells, and then fired a total of 48
16 in (406 mm) projectiles. Pennsylvania was unable to find a target and her guns
remained silent.[4]

Mississippi only obtained a solution at the end of the battle-line action, and then
fired just one (full) salvo of twelve 14 in (356 mm) shells. This was the last salvo
ever to be fired by a battleship against another heavy ship, ending an era in naval
history.[4]


  • Re : about KM BB....

    03. 24. 2011 08:54

DJDeath
USS Washington sunk IJN Kirishima (Kongo class). And... that's about the only BB vs BB
action the US Navy saw.

  • Re : about KM BB....

    03. 24. 2011 07:59

clemo85
*the Nelson split in half every time it fires a full broadside*

Lol. The Rodney fired FULL broadsides at Bismarck and did not break in two. (eyewitness
reports, not theories).

As for the 'what if' scenarios there is no point thinking about it, they never fought
against eachother and the US did not fight a battleship vs battleship battle (to my
knowledge, refresh my memory if they did). As far as I recall atleast 90% of the enemy
battleships sunk by the US was by aircraft, no Iowa class, North Carolina class or South
Dakota class battleships fought another battleship so their ability in battle was never
tested.

  • Re : about KM BB....

    03. 24. 2011 06:05

DJDeath
"well than they should make UK shells dud-able :D"

Ahh, didn't express myself very clearly there. It was about half of Bismarck's and Prinz
Eugen's that did not, or only half, detonate.


"the Nelson split
in half every time it fires a full broadside"

Well, that is nothing more than a myth. And Quads had no major issues after all tests had
been completed.

  • Re : about KM BB....

    03. 24. 2011 06:01

LILITALY5179
(BTW Oberstrguppe i almost vomited reading your thread because of the horrid spelling and
grammar there)

And No, they should make the UK Quad 14" guns misfire every 9/10 shots, the Nelson split
in half every time it fires a full broadside, the Iowa's FCS go offline every time it
fires guns, and KM shells dud every 7/10 times.

I will argue that USN 16" guns are far superior to any other gun of the war. They were
newer, more powerful, and more accurate than almost anything out there. The Bismarck ill
agree was super accurate against British battleships, however almost all of them were WW1
or interwar designs, and rushed into production. The Quad 14's were a horrible idea and
misfired more than a musket. The German Navy's doctrine was "a light shell with high
muzzle velocity equals more range." This consequently made the Bismarck hit its target
multiple times, but the shells would often just bounce right off and fall into the ocean
leaving little more than some headaches. If the Bismarck had gone up against newer
American battleships, like the North Carolina, South Dakota, or even Iowa class, it
would've been a different story. It would look like Swiss cheese as its fragments sank to
the bottom.

  • Re : about KM BB....

    03. 24. 2011 04:57

Briztama
well than they should make UK shells dud-able :D

  • Re : about KM BB....

    03. 24. 2011 02:22

DJDeath
"And the PoW ran away barely surviving."

Before you spew this BS around, I suggest you read up on how many of the shells which hit
the PoW actually detonated...

*fixed

  • Re : about KM BB....

    03. 24. 2011 02:12

Oberstgruppe
One more very important issue is missing, German rifleing was far superior than othe
countries. which made her 15's as powerful as any 16's out there. Talk to any true
Ammunitions maker, they'll say the same thing. I'm a U.S. Navy Vet. I know better.
Over 12.5 yrs. Before you sound Dumb, do some research.

  • Re : about KM BB....

    03. 24. 2011 02:05

Oberstgruppe
There's a bunch of British lovers here who won't except the facts, And the PoW ran
away barely surviving. All this is facts. The Bismarck only suffered slight Damage in
forward focsel. It was a lucky Torpedo shot which damaged the rudder so she was
in a constant turn. easy target then. If the PoW stayed arround she would have
been sent to the bottom. Nothing the brits have is wishful thinking.
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