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    01. 13. 2011 17:00

angus725
Seeing that SN is the only nation that has a BattleCruiser for their BB4, I thought I
might bring this up.

There are three kinds of Battle cruisers.
The main kind, which is found through out navyfield, is the British themed
battlecruiser. These battlecruisers have a strong armament, (eg, renown with 15",
furious with 15", Hood, Lexington class Battcruiser which is in game as the CV), weak
armor, and very fast (historically). These ship's were originally made by Jackie Fisher
for raiding and protecting trade routes, and supporting battleship fleets when
needed.

The second kind of Battle cruisers were German ones. Heavily armored, average
speed, but with a weak main battery. The only examples I can find of these in
Navyfield would be the KGV class, or the Nelson with dual 15"s, but neither of these
truly fit the description.

The third type of Battle cruisers are American or Japanese ones. Similar to the
German Panzerschiffe (Pocket battleship) idea, these were fast, lightly armed in
contrast to Battleships, heavily armed compared to any light or heavy cruisers, and
also lightly armored. These would be used for commerce raiding, Heavy cruiser killing,
and later on as AA ships (Alaska).

I'm curious of which kind the Soviet Battle cruisers are, as that would definitely help
with balancing ideas.
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  • Re : Soviet BCs

    01. 16. 2011 19:20

fFoxfire
Well BC in BB1 2 Stages SN is a bit under powered due to the Dreadknot setups as they have
major T space but only two main guns. This makes them great support ships but BB vs BB
lack however they fit perfect the role of GB2 as BB1 2 are ment to kill off everything
smaller and in there range.

Still the BB4 seems a bit OP due to its durablity however if it was taken down a bit It
would be fair in my opinion for such a slow ship.

-Fox

  • Re : Soviet BCs

    01. 16. 2011 18:47

angus725
I thought Doria and Sevas were fine until I realized it's nearly impossible to kill them
in
1 hit from any ship besides montana. Those two ships are certainly out of balance
with
other PBB's.

You pay $6.99 for a in game item, you expect them to be good. Personally, I'd rather
see the other PBBs buffed a little, and the AD nerfed so it cant survive a full SY salvo.
The sevas cant take that much damage, and it's spread is no where near the spread
of the AD. The balance for the sevast is fine.

QV... maybe you're right... But in a GB2 it is ridiculous.

GB2 has no balance IMO, it's just skill=farmer, no skill=farmed. Any BB6 in GB2 is OP if
there isnt another BB6 in the room, and even then the game doesnt take skill into
account.

Alsace... well all I'm going to say is, why own a Montana or Super Yamato when you
can have their best qualities in one. Montana is vastly inferior to alsace and that's
just not cool with me.

It's very fragile and short ranged, swing a bit and you'll sink it easily. As long as
you're not rushing it, you should be fine.

  • Re : Soviet BCs

    01. 16. 2011 18:35

Audessy
Well those were my opinions of ships with reasons to back them. You have yours, and
that's fine.

I thought Doria and Sevas were fine until I realized it's nearly impossible to kill them in
1 hit from any ship besides montana. Those two ships are certainly out of balance with
other PBB's.

QV... maybe you're right... But in a GB2 it is ridiculous.

Alsace... well all I'm going to say is, why own a Montana or Super Yamato when you can
have their best qualities in one. Montana is vastly inferior to alsace and that's just not
cool with me.

  • Re : Soviet BCs

    01. 16. 2011 18:17

angus725
Fail example, alsace, sevas, and QV are well balanced mostly. Decent argument though.

  • Re : Soviet BCs

    01. 16. 2011 18:04

Audessy
The game is based off of history. Not necessarily historically accurate but closer than
some of you may think. Think of it this way, the whole game is in time compression.
Guns reload super fast, ships manuever super fast, planes load quickly etc.

Carrying on history in this game is important. It's what has attracted many naval
enthusiasts as well as myself to play this game. The only reasons certain ships have
been made inaccurate is for "paper, rock, scissors" balance which I understand. I don't
agree with certain ships being the hand grenade in a game of good ol'
paper/rock/scissors though. Like alsace, sevas, doria, and queen vic.

  • Re : Soviet BCs

    01. 16. 2011 07:33

jmardlin
That is true Angus. One thing about the 305 mm/62 (12") SM-33 Pattern 1948 is that it was
built after the war and they did have a shell that would go much further than the 58K
yards. These guns never saw service and were only test fired like US 18" guns or the 16"
55cal

  • Re : Soviet BCs

    01. 15. 2011 23:31

angus725
/facepalm

NF=/=Historical anything.

History can be ideas for balance, but there is a lot you have to sacrifice for game play.
A 90% historical naval game will be extreamly boring, as most large scale naval battles
takes from hours to days. And the limited amount of ships would mean that 1/2 of all
the ships in NF probably wouldn't exist.

  • Re : Soviet BCs

    01. 15. 2011 23:17

Nikv
Stalingrad 305 mm/62 (12") SM-33 Pattern 1948 - 58,040 yards )

  • Re : Soviet BCs

    01. 15. 2011 22:16

jmardlin
Very true with this game not being like history. If it were the Richelieu would not have
the least range of the BB4's. Yamato 45,960 yards Richelieu 45,600 yards Iowa 42,345.
These ranges are all using AP rounds and are in yards. Keep in mind that The Richelieu
only had a 35 degree max gun elevation while the others were 45. Something to think about
in future testing and the MN rebalance.

  • Re : Soviet BCs

    01. 14. 2011 16:48

shira
In real world , Battlecruiser is developed by Sir Fisher , have capital ship class main
gun (depend on what gun used in the period ) and cruiser speed ( exchange for
weak armor ). They are build for farm cruisers , and if inneed , support friend
battleships to fight enemy battleships . Every battlecruiser built until WWI like this ,
but after The Battle of Jutland , they found the weak armor was critical problem (as
well as BB speed ), every BC built after that have more armor , and BB have more
speed . Finally , every new BB have cruiser speed ( KGV , Vanguard , Iowa , Bismark ,
Richelieu ) , and no one build BC again .

USN Alaska , IJN B65 Project , and SN Starlingrad are " Large Cruiser " build in / after
WWII . Again , they design for farm enemy cruiser . They have 12" main gun can
destroy any CA and below , and enough speed to chase them . Well , in real world ,
their 12" gun have BB like range ( BB South Dakkota ranged by BC Alaska ) . If you
use them as CA ,they are over power , so they count as BC in Navyfield (any one
knows KM P Project II count as PS/CA 4 years ago ? )

Now SDE choose Starlingrad to be SN BB4 , she should not have cruiser like speed (
well , Iowa , Vanguard and Richelieu don't , too ) , and balanced as BB4 .
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