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CV's & 17th Feb Deadline
02. 05. 2011 06:03

farazelleth	With the upcomming deadline have we looked into the SU cv's and planes? I don't see any such thread posted here. For the most part SU have worst TB's and will have best DB's ... SU Tier2 bombs being 2850 last time i checked. KM has 2819 for comparison. French DB's still hit for 3168, this needs to get nerfed because France was always supposed to be exactly middle of the road of all nations, so 2700 damage is a far more realisitic value for French DB's ------ Plane fuel, French still use Korean fuel stats and ergo have twice the flight time over other nations, have we fixed the SU DB's fuel stats to be inline with other nations like KM? Why is this important? Double the fuel allows a MN player to launch and hold 1 wave while prepping a second wave, and then attacking with a double wave (ie CV6 with 24) and still having enough fuel to return and land said planes, no other nation can do this. French T2 has 249 sec fuel KM T2 has 130 sec! SU T2 should be alot closer to KM. ------- Currently the Soviet fighters stats poor, lacking speed, protection and fuel but high hitting power. However we are missing Tier4 fighter stats. The french T1-3 fighters were terrible but the T4's made them competitive, ergo I'd love to see some plane stats for Soviets. ------- Also we are lacking any information on the Tier 5 scouts (lvl120). I know this is miles off but if we are going to test BB6 and CV6's we may as well try to squeeze in some details on the intended T5 scouts. The key issues being fuel capacity at 400 seconds or so with a sight range of probably 1600, since most SU planes hve the lowest sight stat 1600 is the lowest sight for other nations T5 scout. Plance space would be between 50 / 60. Offense at 105 to keep it in line with high soviet firepower. And Max speed probably between 680&695 due to slower planes. tl;dr SU T5 scout 400 sec fuel 1600 sight range Plane space of 55 Offense at 105 Speed at 685 Weight at 3150 This isnt an organised post and it's messy but I just highlighted some issues to which the best of my knowledge have not been adressed. Fara.

farazelleth

With the upcomming deadline have we looked into the SU cv's and planes? I don't see any
such thread posted here.

For the most part SU have worst TB's and will have best DB's ... SU Tier2 bombs being 2850
last time i checked. KM has 2819 for comparison.

French DB's still hit for 3168, this needs to get nerfed because France was always
supposed to be exactly middle of the road of all nations, so 2700 damage is a far more
realisitic value for French DB's

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Plane fuel, French still use Korean fuel stats and ergo have twice the flight time over
other nations, have we fixed the SU DB's fuel stats to be inline with other nations like KM?

Why is this important? Double the fuel allows a MN player to launch and hold 1 wave while
prepping a second wave, and then attacking with a double wave (ie CV6 with 24) and still
having enough fuel to return and land said planes, no other nation can do this.

French T2 has 249 sec fuel
KM T2 has 130 sec!
SU T2 should be alot closer to KM.
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Currently the Soviet fighters stats poor, lacking speed, protection and fuel but high
hitting power. However we are missing Tier4 fighter stats. The french T1-3 fighters were
terrible but the T4's made them competitive, ergo I'd love to see some plane stats for
Soviets.

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Also we are lacking any information on the Tier 5 scouts (lvl120). I know this is miles
off but if we are going to test BB6 and CV6's we may as well try to squeeze in some
details on the intended T5 scouts.

The key issues being fuel capacity at 400 seconds or so with a sight range of probably
1600, since most SU planes hve the lowest sight stat 1600 is the lowest sight for other
nations T5 scout. Plance space would be between 50 / 60. Offense at 105 to keep it in line
with high soviet firepower. And Max speed probably between 680&695 due to slower planes.

tl;dr

SU T5 scout
400 sec fuel
1600 sight range
Plane space of 55
Offense at 105
Speed at 685
Weight at 3150

This isnt an organised post and it's messy but I just highlighted some issues to which the
best of my knowledge have not been adressed.

Fara.

Re : CV's & 17th Feb Deadline
02. 15. 2011 19:36

V2CxBongRipz	Has any effort been put into SN Aircraft/CV balance yet?

Re : CV's & 17th Feb Deadline
02. 15. 2011 13:26

fFoxfire	VC2 I agree 100% with what you have to say and will see what I can do to get it done its just a bit hectic with the upcoming server mergers. -Fox

Re : CV's & 17th Feb Deadline
02. 15. 2011 09:10

Terriles	Gameplay Fix = remove T5 scout and T4 FT, bring back bomber stat on Fighters.- /dreamin

Re : CV's & 17th Feb Deadline
02. 08. 2011 19:21

V2CxBongRipz	Ok, I've been kicking some ideas in my head about SN Fighters. It seems that SDE's goal for SN fighter balance is High attack, slow speed, low armor. I think that the original nations should be used as a limit for balancing the new fighters. Meaning they should not be slower then UK and they should not have higher attack then KM. Something I do not agree with is having the slowest fighter have the lowest durability. The speed should be equal with UK. The attack should be equal with KM. The durability should be in between UK and KM. The fuel should be slightly more then UK or atleast equal The sight range should be relatively high. This would mean SN's advantages would be attack power and site range with middle of theroad durability. The disadvantages would be speed and fuel. Now if the dive bombers are to have the best bomb damage then the fuel and speed need to be along the bottom of the pack. Some other things that need to be looked at: -The plane levels will all need to be adjusted to NFNA specs. -Turning force needs to be kept in line with NFNA specs. I never liked turning force nerf CVs got with the original ONF patch but if that is here to stay the new nations HAVE to be kept in line with this. This also carries over to MN since this was obviously ignored. -The attack values of bombers needs to be brought back to NFNA specs. Anyone with good bomber pilots will know why. There are of course more things that need to be addressed but these are the immediate things that pop out to me.

V2CxBongRipz

Ok, I've been kicking some ideas in my head about SN Fighters.

It seems that SDE's goal for SN fighter balance is High attack, slow speed, low armor. I
think that the original nations should be used as a limit for balancing the new fighters.
Meaning they should not be slower then UK and they should not have higher attack then KM.
Something I do not agree with is having the slowest fighter have the lowest durability.

The speed should be equal with UK.
The attack should be equal with KM.
The durability should be in between UK and KM.
The fuel should be slightly more then UK or atleast equal
The sight range should be relatively high.

This would mean SN's advantages would be attack power and site range with middle of
theroad durability. The disadvantages would be speed and fuel.

Now if the dive bombers are to have the best bomb damage then the fuel and speed need to
be along the bottom of the pack.

Some other things that need to be looked at:

-The plane levels will all need to be adjusted to NFNA specs.
-Turning force needs to be kept in line with NFNA specs. I never liked turning force nerf
CVs got with the original ONF patch but if that is here to stay the new nations HAVE to be
kept in line with this. This also carries over to MN since this was obviously ignored.
-The attack values of bombers needs to be brought back to NFNA specs. Anyone with good
bomber pilots will know why.

There are of course more things that need to be addressed but these are the immediate
things that pop out to me.

Re : CV's & 17th Feb Deadline
02. 08. 2011 15:02

V2CxBongRipz	supposedly

Re : CV's & 17th Feb Deadline
02. 08. 2011 14:39

Pyrofiend	Uhm...after the MN rebalance won't UK have the best TBs again?

Re : CV's & 17th Feb Deadline
02. 08. 2011 00:03

V2CxBongRipz	You clearly do not understand game balance...

Re : CV's & 17th Feb Deadline
02. 08. 2011 00:00

Adamai	i think the problem with cv's and why no one wants to play them is because they are unfairly created. this is a tactics simulation not factual. the ship classes are all wrong in camparison of order and how are they able to put dmg amounts on bombs and determine which are better or not. they cant but they just are. cv's are incrtedibly unbalanced in all areas. uk having the worst of pretty much everything. whats the point of aw cv ?? thats its best point, the tb's are not really that good as people may claim. they certianly dont make up for the descepency between db's of other nations and uk db's are not even worht mentioning. its about time navy field started to think a little more fairly with regaurds to all cv's so far uk is the worst and i dont concider that in anyway to be fair. so how about we even out these db's eh ?????

Adamai

i think the problem with cv's and why no one wants to play them is because they are
unfairly created. this is a tactics simulation not factual. the ship classes are all wrong
in camparison of order and how are they able to put dmg amounts on bombs and determine
which are better or not. they cant but they just are.

cv's are incrtedibly unbalanced in all areas.

uk having the worst of pretty much everything. whats the point of aw cv ?? thats its best
point, the tb's are not really that good as people may claim. they certianly dont make up
for the descepency between db's of other nations and uk db's are not even worht mentioning.

its about time navy field started to think a little more fairly with regaurds to all cv's
so far uk is the worst and i dont concider that in anyway to be fair.

so how about we even out these db's eh ?????

Re : CV's & 17th Feb Deadline
02. 07. 2011 20:12

V2CxBongRipz	T3 stats are mostly unchanged from before the ability patch.

Re : CV's & 17th Feb Deadline
02. 07. 2011 18:31

DragonStar	The NFNA rankings were done using T4 stats, while the NFKR ones were done using T3 stats. IMO everything in NFNA's fighter system is unbalanced atm, the CV patch messed up all the original nation traits. For instance US & KM T3s were somehow given the highest AP defense over UK, and IJN T3 no longer retain the fuel advantage, not to mention the ridiculous speed of MN T3. As for the Pros and Cons I listed in my last post, it's based on the current SN T3 balancing in NF Korean. Personally, I don't agree with how NFKR balanced the SN fighters, but the information does give us an insight into the Dev's balancing logic.

DragonStar

The NFNA rankings were done using T4 stats, while the NFKR ones were done using T3 stats.

IMO everything in NFNA's fighter system is unbalanced atm, the CV patch messed up all the
original nation traits. For instance US & KM T3s were somehow given the highest AP defense
over UK, and IJN T3 no longer retain the fuel advantage, not to mention the ridiculous
speed of MN T3.

As for the Pros and Cons I listed in my last post, it's based on the current SN T3
balancing in NF Korean. Personally, I don't agree with how NFKR balanced the SN fighters,
but the information does give us an insight into the Dev's balancing logic.

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Re : CV's & 17th Feb Deadline 02. 07. 2011 18:31