The MOG CV is awesome support/escort ship if you know what you are doing.

The Ise I rarely bring out because I feel guilty playing with it. It takes up a BB spot on
my team so unless your in a room packed with BB1's and 2's or are an incredible beast with
the ISE then its hard justifying the slot. But thats my .02

they're all excelent in support functions, and in blitz they can dominate.

Havent really used my ise since i got good fighters, but i assume with some
T4's you can dim the lights a couple times (not permanently because of
management time & plane space) when needed, but you need good, non
hybrid ships to take advantage of the fighters, so, still a support ships.

"You said that oyodo isn't a CV anymore, but neither is an ise or mogami. They are both
BB and CA respectively. I think they are some of the best ships but not the same
firepower. Still GREAT, but not same. "

Read first before responding.

From my post and I'll highlight the important part
"Oyo is CL now, WITH NO CV VARIANT so I will not compare it."

Mog/Ise both require a remodel to use the cv variant even though the ship is not classed
as a CV in rooms.

"Mogami and Ise are nice ships. But in no way, shape, form or belief do these have the
same firepower as their respective classes. "

Point made by me was that the CV variant are no where close to the same firepower as their
respect other classed form. And the CV space is not 1/2, closer to 1/4 or 1/3rd at best.

"Mogami CL > Oyo
Mogami CA - Okay, Best IJN CA.
Fuso > Ise (BB2's Fuso has better R slot placement)
Amagi, SY, Yamato, Nagato >>>>>> Ise

Sooooo. You got the Mogami CA right.

Edit: Also, all of the CV forms of these ships are useless, and pointless. Any CV can
eat these, and ANY BB(or CA/CL) will destroy these dumb hybrids without too much trouble. "

Theres someone that gets the point.

and nobody screams scout scout to mog cv which allows me to bring locals and eat all
those dumb and juicy t4's. and get me experts 4 my support crew:)(i suck in aa so this
is only way)

Common now, you cant do that with an at level crew in GB regularly. Anyway you miss my
point. These ships, besides Ise of course, are great ships for lowbies to use in GB2 now
that they arnt capitol ships. They get a chance to learn CV and help out there team
without taking up a CV slot. They can do ASW, AA, TW, and CV all in the same game.

I've had a few 50k games in various CA's. Namely P-project.

Name me one CL or CA that can do 20-60k fairly consistently in GB2 with an at level crew
not including premium ships or kita.

Mogami CL > Oyo
Mogami CA - Okay, Best IJN CA.
Fuso > Ise (BB2's Fuso has better R slot placement)
Amagi, SY, Yamato, Nagato >>>>>> Ise

Sooooo. You got the Mogami CA right.

Edit: Also, all of the CV forms of these ships are useless, and pointless. Any CV can
eat these, and ANY BB(or CA/CL) will destroy these dumb hybrids without too much trouble.

You said that oyodo isn't a CV anymore, but neither is an ise or mogami. They are both
BB and CA respectively. I think they are some of the best ships but not the same
firepower. Still GREAT, but not same.

Oyodo, Mogami, Ise, the best of all ships in IJN. With the same firepower for a CL,
CA and BB plus half the capacity of CV, comment please

Dear lord please tell me you do not believe this.

Mogami and Ise are nice ships. But in no way, shape, form or belief do these have the
same firepower as their respective classes.

Oyo is CL now, with no CV variant so I will not compare it.
Mogami.

CV
3 R slot 136 space
4 T slots
FCS 60
1450 Plane space

CA
5 R Slots 151 space
4 T Slots
FCS 75

CV variant has 60% of the R slots with less shell space... Don't call this the same
firepower. Lower FCS revision means worse spread. Less plane space than a hosho.

ISE

CV
4 R slots 271 space
6 T slots
FCS 90
2000 Plane space

BB
6 R Slots 287 space
4 T slots
FCS 95

CV variant has 2/3rds the R slot space as the ISE BB, 2 extra T slots, and lower FCS.
Combined with only 2000 plane space (less than 1/3rd the plane space of a CV2) your
gimping every aspect of both ship types. At no point do you get near the same firepower
as their respective alternates.