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MN level/gunspace changes
03. 31. 2011 16:00

angus725	Is it possible to get all of MN's gunspace and gun level changed by the next patch? I've made a list of all the changes required to DD1-BB3 excluding the MN emeden, T space of most ships (as AA has not yet been decided on), and CV R space (which can be done later on) My proposal are below, explanations can also be found. Charlemagne: R space: 737->747 (5binds) Weight per bind:200.1 -> 160 StrasBourg: R space: 349-> 409 (5 binds, bumping StrasBourg gunspace up so I can more space to work with for DD-BB1) Gunspace required:320->372 Weight per bind: 105.6->85.5 gun level required: 81 -> 79 (optional) Normandie (5 binds) R space: 330 -> 370 x4 13.4"/45 cal Model 1912: Gunspace required: 1912: 300 -> 332 Weight per bind of ammo: 109.4 -> 87.5 Lyon (5 binds) R space: 330 -> 370 Le harve (6 binds) gunspace : 395->378 Lorraine (4 binds) R space: 186 -> 290 lv 71 x2 13.4"/45 cal Model 1922: gun space required: 157-> 260 Bretagne (4 binds) R space: 175 -> 230 lv 56 x2 13.4"/45 cal Model 1912: gun space required: 145 -> 200 Paris (4 binds) R space: 178 -> 260 lv 69 x2 12"/45 cal Model 1922: gun space required: 152 -> 233 Courbet (4 binds) R space: 156 -> 200 lv 52 x2 12"/45 cal Model 1906: gun space required: 130 -> 172 lv 52 x2 12"/45 cal Model 1906: name change: lv 52 x2 12"/45 cal Model 1910 (due to EBB1 guns having the same name) PCA: lv required: 58 -> 53 (higher level than BB1 doesn't make sense) R space: 151 -> 200 (4 binds) Defualt guns: from PCA's own 13.4"-> lv 52 x2 12"/45 cal Model 1906 (BB2 ranged atm, unless we change range, this is the easiest solution to the balance of this PCA) Danton (7 binds): R space: 156 -> 200 lv 50 x2 12"/45 cal Model 1906: space required: 130 -> 155 Algerie (5 binds): R space: 123 -> 170 lv 47 x2 8"/55 cal Model 1931: required space: 110 -> 145 Algerie: shell space: 0 Tourville: shell space: 0 Suffern: shell space: 0 (Aka, torp space. This needs to be 0 for all CAs) lv 16 x1 3.5"/50 cal Model 1926: required level: 16 -> 12 lv 10 x1 5.1"/40 cal Model 1919: required level: 10 -> 14 lv 18 x2 3.5"/50 cal Model 1926: required level: 18 -> 15 lv 20 x1 3.9"/45 cal Model 1930: required level: 20 -> 16 lv 17 x1 5.46"/55 cal Model 1910: required level: 17 -> 18 lv 22 x1 5.46"/40 cal Model 1927: required level: 22 -> 20 lv 17 x1 5.46"/45 cal Model 1929: required level: 17 -> 22 lv 24 x2 5.46"/45 cal Model 1929: No change, listed here for reference, note level. lv 20 x2 3.5"/50 cal model 1929: required level: 20 -> 25 lv 32 x2 6"/55 cal Model 1930: required level: 32 -> 26 lv 36 x2 5.1/45 cal Model 1932: required level: 36 -> 28 lv 28 x2 6.1"/50 cal Model 1920: required level 28 -> 30 lv 38 x2 5.1"/45 cal Model 1935: required level 38 -> 31 lv 49 x2 3.9/55 cal Model 1945: required level 49 -> 32 lv 44 x3 6"/55 cal Model 1930: required level: 44 -> 34 lv 60 x3 6.1"/50 cal Model 1920: required level: 60 -> 37 lv 42 x2 8"/50 cal Model 1924: required level: 42 -> 40 lv 62 x4 5.1"/45 cal Model 1932: required level: 62 -> 43 lv 40 x3 6.1"/55 cal Model 1926: required level: 40 -> 46 lv 47 x2 8"/55 cal Model 1931: required level 47 -> 49 Gun level arranged to potential damage (number of barrels, inch, reload) and range. Jaguar: R space: 39 -> 43 L' Adroit: R space: 43 -> 59 L'Adroit: level required: 17 -> 19 Le Fantasque: R space: 58 -> 50 Le Fantasque: level required: 18->17 Yes, I am swithing the 2 DDs around, rest of changes can be found on the MN other thread. Mogador: R space: 68 -> 70 Pluton: level required: 28 -> 27 (optional, this is to fit with the other nations and gun levels) Pluton: R space: 58 -> 86 Duguay Trouin: required level: 32 -> 31 (optional) Duguay Trouin: R space: 79 -> 105 Jeanne D'Arc: required level: 34 -> 33 (optional) Jeanne D' Arc: R space: 79 -> 105 Emile Bertin: required level: 36 -> 35 (optional) Emile Bertin: R space: 112 -> 123 Suffren: R space: 122 -> 139 La Galissonniere: R space: 122 -> 153 Tourville: R space: 122 -> 174 Algerie: R space: 123 -> 174 lv 24 x2 5.46"/45 cal Model 1929: space reqired: 60-> 48 lv 20 x2 3.5"/50 cal model 1929: space required: 37 -> 58 lv 32 x2 6"/55 cal Model 1930: required space: 98 -> 60 lv 49 x2 3.9/55 cal Model 1945: required level 49 -> 68 lv 28 x2 6.1"/50 cal Model 1920: required space: 65 -> 70 lv 36 x2 5.1/45 cal Model 1932: space required: 76 -> 71 lv 38 x2 5.1"/45 cal Model 1935: required space: 80 -> 72 lv 44 x3 6"/55 cal Model 1930: required space : 98 -> 85 lv 60 x3 6.1"/50 cal Model 1920: required space: 95 -> 103 lv 42 x2 8"/50 cal Model 1924: required space: 105 -> 119 lv 40 x3 6.1"/55 cal Model 1926: required space: 98 -> 137 lv 62 x4 5.1"/45 cal Model 1932: required space: 108 -> 140 lv 47 x2 8"/55 cal Model 1931: required space: 110 -> 149 Guns are arranged so: Jaguar can use guns upto level 17 L'Adroit can use guns from 19-23 Le Fantasque can use guns from ~ 17-20 Mogador can use guns upto the level ~25 guns Pluton can use a set of dual 6" Duguay, Jeanne can use the shortest ranged trip 6" (for MN). Emile can use 2nd shortest ranged trip 6" (for MN). Suffern can use first set of dual 8" La Galissonniere can use first set of dual 8" (note 6 barrels), quad 5.1" (short range), and 3rd, last, and longest ranged set of trip 6" Tourville and Algerie can both use the 2nd set of dual 8" lv 62 x4 5.1"/45 cal Model 1932: shell per bind: 50 -> 100 It's impossible to fit enough ammo to be able to be used effectively on the La Galissonniere with the 4 or 5 binds I gave it. I can't remember for sure right now, but it should work.

angus725

Is it possible to get all of MN's gunspace and gun level changed by the next patch?

I've made a list of all the changes required to DD1-BB3 excluding the MN emeden, T
space of most ships (as AA has not yet been decided on), and CV R space (which can
be done later on)

My proposal are below, explanations can also be found.

Charlemagne:
R space: 737->747 (5binds)
Weight per bind:200.1 -> 160

StrasBourg:
R space: 349-> 409 (5 binds, bumping StrasBourg gunspace up so I can more space
to work with for DD-BB1)
Gunspace required:320->372
Weight per bind: 105.6->85.5
gun level required: 81 -> 79 (optional)

Normandie (5 binds)
R space: 330 -> 370
x4 13.4"/45 cal Model 1912: Gunspace required: 1912: 300 -> 332
Weight per bind of ammo: 109.4 -> 87.5

Lyon (5 binds)
R space: 330 -> 370

Le harve (6 binds)
gunspace : 395->378

Lorraine (4 binds)
R space: 186 -> 290
lv 71 x2 13.4"/45 cal Model 1922: gun space required: 157-> 260

Bretagne (4 binds)
R space: 175 -> 230
lv 56 x2 13.4"/45 cal Model 1912: gun space required: 145 -> 200

Paris (4 binds)
R space: 178 -> 260
lv 69 x2 12"/45 cal Model 1922: gun space required: 152 -> 233

Courbet (4 binds)
R space: 156 -> 200
lv 52 x2 12"/45 cal Model 1906: gun space required: 130 -> 172
lv 52 x2 12"/45 cal Model 1906: name change: lv 52 x2 12"/45 cal Model 1910 (due
to EBB1 guns having the same name)

PCA:
lv required: 58 -> 53 (higher level than BB1 doesn't make sense)
R space: 151 -> 200 (4 binds)
Defualt guns: from PCA's own 13.4"-> lv 52 x2 12"/45 cal Model 1906 (BB2 ranged
atm, unless we change range, this is the easiest solution to the balance of this PCA)

Danton (7 binds):
R space: 156 -> 200
lv 50 x2 12"/45 cal Model 1906: space required: 130 -> 155

Algerie (5 binds):
R space: 123 -> 170
lv 47 x2 8"/55 cal Model 1931: required space: 110 -> 145

Algerie: shell space: 0
Tourville: shell space: 0
Suffern: shell space: 0
(Aka, torp space. This needs to be 0 for all CAs)

lv 16 x1 3.5"/50 cal Model 1926: required level: 16 -> 12
lv 10 x1 5.1"/40 cal Model 1919: required level: 10 -> 14
lv 18 x2 3.5"/50 cal Model 1926: required level: 18 -> 15
lv 20 x1 3.9"/45 cal Model 1930: required level: 20 -> 16
lv 17 x1 5.46"/55 cal Model 1910: required level: 17 -> 18
lv 22 x1 5.46"/40 cal Model 1927: required level: 22 -> 20
lv 17 x1 5.46"/45 cal Model 1929: required level: 17 -> 22
lv 24 x2 5.46"/45 cal Model 1929: No change, listed here for reference, note level.
lv 20 x2 3.5"/50 cal model 1929: required level: 20 -> 25
lv 32 x2 6"/55 cal Model 1930: required level: 32 -> 26
lv 36 x2 5.1/45 cal Model 1932: required level: 36 -> 28
lv 28 x2 6.1"/50 cal Model 1920: required level 28 -> 30
lv 38 x2 5.1"/45 cal Model 1935: required level 38 -> 31
lv 49 x2 3.9/55 cal Model 1945: required level 49 -> 32
lv 44 x3 6"/55 cal Model 1930: required level: 44 -> 34
lv 60 x3 6.1"/50 cal Model 1920: required level: 60 -> 37
lv 42 x2 8"/50 cal Model 1924: required level: 42 -> 40
lv 62 x4 5.1"/45 cal Model 1932: required level: 62 -> 43
lv 40 x3 6.1"/55 cal Model 1926: required level: 40 -> 46
lv 47 x2 8"/55 cal Model 1931: required level 47 -> 49

Gun level arranged to potential damage (number of barrels, inch, reload) and range.

Jaguar: R space: 39 -> 43
L' Adroit: R space: 43 -> 59
L'Adroit: level required: 17 -> 19
Le Fantasque: R space: 58 -> 50
Le Fantasque: level required: 18->17
Yes, I am swithing the 2 DDs around, rest of changes can be found on the MN other
thread.

Mogador: R space: 68 -> 70
Pluton: level required: 28 -> 27 (optional, this is to fit with the other nations and gun
levels)
Pluton: R space: 58 -> 86
Duguay Trouin: required level: 32 -> 31 (optional)
Duguay Trouin: R space: 79 -> 105
Jeanne D'Arc: required level: 34 -> 33 (optional)
Jeanne D' Arc: R space: 79 -> 105
Emile Bertin: required level: 36 -> 35 (optional)
Emile Bertin: R space: 112 -> 123
Suffren: R space: 122 -> 139
La Galissonniere: R space: 122 -> 153
Tourville: R space: 122 -> 174
Algerie: R space: 123 -> 174

lv 24 x2 5.46"/45 cal Model 1929: space reqired: 60-> 48
lv 20 x2 3.5"/50 cal model 1929: space required: 37 -> 58
lv 32 x2 6"/55 cal Model 1930: required space: 98 -> 60
lv 49 x2 3.9/55 cal Model 1945: required level 49 -> 68
lv 28 x2 6.1"/50 cal Model 1920: required space: 65 -> 70
lv 36 x2 5.1/45 cal Model 1932: space required: 76 -> 71
lv 38 x2 5.1"/45 cal Model 1935: required space: 80 -> 72
lv 44 x3 6"/55 cal Model 1930: required space : 98 -> 85
lv 60 x3 6.1"/50 cal Model 1920: required space: 95 -> 103
lv 42 x2 8"/50 cal Model 1924: required space: 105 -> 119
lv 40 x3 6.1"/55 cal Model 1926: required space: 98 -> 137
lv 62 x4 5.1"/45 cal Model 1932: required space: 108 -> 140
lv 47 x2 8"/55 cal Model 1931: required space: 110 -> 149

Guns are arranged so:
Jaguar can use guns upto level 17
L'Adroit can use guns from 19-23
Le Fantasque can use guns from ~ 17-20
Mogador can use guns upto the level ~25 guns
Pluton can use a set of dual 6"
Duguay, Jeanne can use the shortest ranged trip 6" (for MN).
Emile can use 2nd shortest ranged trip 6" (for MN).
Suffern can use first set of dual 8"
La Galissonniere can use first set of dual 8" (note 6 barrels), quad 5.1" (short range),
and 3rd, last, and longest ranged set of trip 6"
Tourville and Algerie can both use the 2nd set of dual 8"

lv 62 x4 5.1"/45 cal Model 1932: shell per bind: 50 -> 100

It's impossible to fit enough ammo to be able to be used effectively on the La
Galissonniere with the 4 or 5 binds I gave it. I can't remember for sure right now, but
it should work.

Re : MN level/gunspace changes
04. 10. 2011 05:42

mailman	The starting values (R space) are outdated, since last weeks request has been patched (if all went properly). For teh rest it is updated now in the proposal.

Re : MN level/gunspace changes
04. 02. 2011 08:39

ljsevern	Splid, to be honest, everyone agree's that the ammo changes and space changes are needed, so we may aswell get those out of the way first before we start messing around with damage/range/speed/turning etc.

Re : MN level/gunspace changes
04. 02. 2011 07:52

angus725	SDE doesn't do the ammo fixes...they just edit values. We actually have to suggest to them the exact values for the correct amount of ammo. >.>

Re : MN level/gunspace changes
04. 01. 2011 23:27

Splid	Why bother changing their ammo when they are still unbalanced? At the end of the day, ammo changes are something so basic even SDE can't screw it up so I think we should keep that in the locker until we are allowed to balance the WHOLE of MN. I see little to no point in partial fixing MN by giving arguably overpowered ships more ammo without removing their overpoweredness...

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MN level/gunspace changes 03. 31. 2011 16:00

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