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  • National advantages and disadvantages

    05. 20. 2011 12:39

angus725
Due to the lack of a proper thread about this (ship wise, as we cannot change sailors), I
think it may be time to get this set so we know what we're balancing towards.


WIP as I don't know much about SS/CVs



USN
Good (but useless) AAW

BB:

Average in most things (exceptions: sodak, monty 16"s, colorado)

CV:

SS:

etc:


RN
1+ support slot
2+ rep/res

BB:
AW (low weight, best quality, most expensive) or fast speed (eg, hood line)
Above average damage
Above average APHC

Low angle guns

Poor armor penetration
Poor AA
Slow reload (with exceptions)
Bad range (with many exceptions: dual 15"s, quadl 14" Ls, L2, etc)


CV:
Durable planes
Slowest torps

SS:


etc:
Highest damage torps
Slowest torps

IJN
Bad supports

BB:

Best torps (haha)
Average range (exceptions: fuso/ise which have low end BB2 range)
Above average/best damage
Average speed (exceptions: B65, SY)
Best AA (overall)
Best bulge
(best turning force?)
Best armor penetration

Mostly 45 degree guns

Fragile ships

CV:

SS:
High damage

etc:


KM
2+ engie
2+ acc/rel
2+ fighter

BB:

Best range
Fast speed
Fast reload
Great AA (Spam)

Poor armor penetration
Low damage
Fragile ships

CV:
Highest fighter attack

SS:
Proxy torps

etc:


MN
2+ res

BB:
Fastest speed (exceptions: BB1/2s)
Average to best damage
Average to lowest range
Small hitbox (low tier ships)
Great AA (long range)
(Good turning force?)
Low angle guns

Lowest range
Fragile
Poor armor penetration

CV:

SS:

etc:


SN
2+ engie

BB:
Average to great damage
Good range
Good armor penetration

Average durability
Average AA
Many 45 degree guns

Slowest or poor turning force


CV:

SS:

etc:
Low range torps
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  • Re : National advantages and disadvantages

    05. 20. 2011 16:13

angus725
As far as the 45 degree thing goes, I listed it there as neither a disadvantage or
advantage. Personally I prefer lower angle guns, but there are also people who prefer
higher.

Locked for having too many exceptions.

  • Re : National advantages and disadvantages

    05. 20. 2011 14:13

ljsevern
Have a different threads for Gunship, CV, ASW/SS.

On top of that, ship design/sprites can mean there are exceptions; E.g. Montana causes UK
and US to swap roles at BB5 level.

You also have forgotton alot of advantages, and disadvantages. On top of that, you say 45
degree's is a disadvantage? Lol.

  • Re : National advantages and disadvantages

    05. 20. 2011 13:28

Gtdawg
As Splid mentioned, this can be quite confusing. There are countless exceptions.

I don't view low armor penetration as a national trait for KM. That's something
broken that really hinders the H44 and Kaiser. It should be fixed. We shouldn't be
balancing towards it. We could put inconsistent damage as a national trait and be
done with KM BB balance.

* MN Fastest speeds - Super Yamato and Alsace go the same speed. I don't
remember the BB123 being especially fast and/or faster than other nation's BB123
* MN Average to best damage - Yes, average or best for BB56. Are the BB234
average to best damage or even average?
* MN Low Angle Guns - Not sure if I consider 40 to be low angle. KM and UK corner
the market on low angle guns
* KM Best speed - Is that true at any level other than OPro? QV, Super
Yamato/Alsace, Vanguard, SoDak...
* USN/IJN/MN Damage - You have US listed as average damage with IJN and MN as
above average/best damage. Not sure if that is the best order. Unless you want to
add exceptions.

  • Re : National advantages and disadvantages

    05. 20. 2011 13:22

ZaGaTo19
**Many 45 degree guns**
just for cheking, its that an advantage or a disadvantage?

US CV should have the best pilots but not the best plane, best fuel, sight and even maybe
not the best speed

  • Re : National advantages and disadvantages

    05. 20. 2011 12:58

richardphat
*****
MN


Fragile
******


That's more like what you want.

  • Re : National advantages and disadvantages

    05. 20. 2011 12:50

Splid
Since when has poor armour penetration been a KM trait?

Low damage yes, but poor armour penetration was never in the brief...

Also, this is kind of pointless. Find me 1 class where the list of what the supposed
national advantages fits perfectly? Not quite sure what this is for, seems like a lot of
work for no reason which will ultimately confuse and hamper efforts to sort out ships.
After all, why bother posting this thread when there are stupidly large exceptions to it,
are we trying to make this as noob unfriendly as possible?
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