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  • Solution to Border Humped Planes.

    05. 31. 2011 16:51

Splid
There has been a large discussion over what the best way of limiting the effect of border
humped planes is.

There are a number of options open to us, but I will present the most effective way of
dealing with it, followed by the other suggestions and why they are not as effective.

Solution.

The solution is for some programming to be added to the game whereby if a plane approaches
the border and passes a certain line, they automatically fire/lose their ammunition.
Whether this is a TBer or DBer, ground level or max altitude, the plane should lose any
ammunition it has left. This area should encompass ALL the areas whereby a plane can
become invisible so that only it's shadow is visible.


OTHER Ideas.

Automatic AAW on the Borders.

This method would also work but it has 2 large potential flaws. Firstly, the AAW required
to down a TBer is immense, whether or not it is possible to ramp up the AAW effect is not
known and whether it can be made to work effectively at high alititude is also not known.
The second problem is that this could be abused to increase BWing. By dropping the bomb
and then flying to the border, the planes would die automatically which would make the
pilot free again. This could easily by abused to make BWing a far quicker affair because
it isn't like a CV56 is short of plane space.


CV losing DP while bombers are on Border.

This idea doesn't really appeal to me because it still allows the CV to deal the damage
through the BWing. I think proactively affecting the planes is better than reactively
affecting the CVs.

Planes lose fuel when going over Border.

This could be open to abuse as the AAW idea is.



I believe that the "dropping bomb" idea is the best way to deal with this problem. For
those of you who raise the question of how Scouts and Fighters are affected, my idea is
that neither will be affected by this change.

Please feel free to add other suggestions if you wish but I think this offers the best
solution to the problem.

Perhaps a Macro which says "I AM ATTEMPTING TO BORDER HUMP PLANES AND HAVE BEEN
ACCORDINGLY PUNSIHED" when they do it would be a nice little bonus as well.
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  • Re : Solution to Border Humped Planes.

    06. 04. 2011 12:43

straswa
Used my daily rec, but will rec when I can.

I really like the idea of AA guns on the border. Not sure I like the CV losing DP idea
though as it could be abused.

  • Re : Solution to Border Humped Planes.

    06. 03. 2011 06:24

ljsevern
The other 50% is lvl OMG120!!!!! LoL. Well, lvling in a CV with bad fighters is a pain (I
know it, I am doing it) but that doesn't means that you have to exploit the game.

>>> That is exactly what I am saying.

If you can't fight against other CVs because you are too low lvl, then just use your fighters
as food for their planes and bomb the hell out of the enemy (Better is CAs and BB1-3,
since you will probably not scratch anything above that if you have a low lvl pilot).

>>> Bombing targets you know you can kill, distraction tactics, etc. The main problem is the exp system.

I know it is frutrating, and besides all of that you have to tolerate some dumb BB
drivers that flame you with "OMG U ARE ZUCH A N00B Y U NO HAS T4s AND BE ZCOUT
FER US!?" comments. But just don't pay attention to them, if they just keep doing that tell
them that it is not your problem that they don't carry scouts and that your job is to play in the
way you feel it fits better, since there is no real teamwork in this game.

>>> Actually, most of the time, BB's complaints are justified; when against CV4 and above. But I don't expect
low level CV's to scout. While all BB's should carry scouts, its impossible to use those scouts when you are
fighter camped.

Oh, and what about not alowing to click in the border?

>>> Would be nice. However, there is more to the bug that I think you realise.

Oh, and another thing: Please, do something about BB drivers, like a rehab club or something LOL. But
seriopusly, I know they are not doing anything serious, but hey; When I open this game I don't do it to read
some angsty teen flaming me because their BB is being pwnd by an OMGLVL120BBDRIVER. You know that the
main reason people play CV these days is not because of the fun it (supposedly) is, but because they are just
like ATMs? Most people just play CVs to get money and buy a BB ASP, that is the reason why there
are so many FWs out there. Please, do something about the BBs, the FW are not really a problem since they
are actually allowed to do that (Just that they are annoying as hell to low lvl CV drivers, specially US PCV)

>>> However, you are assuming CV players are all good. They aren't. And a team is more reliant on a single CV
capital ship (CV4+) than a single BB capital ship.

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But we are getting off topic here. I am sure you agree, that border humping shouldn't be allowed. In that case,
you should recommend this.

  • Re : Solution to Border Humped Planes.

    06. 03. 2011 05:26

hiroito
The other 50% is lvl OMG120!!!!! LoL. Well, lvling in a CV with bad fighters is a pain (I
know it, I am doing it) but that doesn't means that you have to exploit the game. If
you
can't fight against other CVs because you are too low lvl, then just use your fighters
as
food for their planes and bomb the hell out of the enemy (Better is CAs and BB1-3,
since
you will probably not scratch anything above that if you have a low lvl pilot).
I know it is frutrating, and besides all of that you have to tolerate some dumb BB
drivers that flame you with "OMG U ARE ZUCH A N00B Y U NO HAS T4s AND BE ZCOUT
FER
US!?" comments. But just don't pay attention to them, if they just keep doing that tell
them that it
is not your problem that they don't carry scouts and that your job is to play in the
way
you feel it fits better, since there is no real teamwork in this game. Oh, and what
about
not alowing to click in the border? Oh, and another thing: Please, do something
about BB drivers, like a rehab club or something LOL. But seriopusly, I know they are
not doing anything serious, but hey; When I open this game I don't do it to read
some angsty teen flaming me because their BB is being pwnd by an
OMGLVL120BBDRIVER. You know that the main reason people play CV these days is
not because of the fun it (supposedly) is, but because they are just like ATMs? Most
people just play CVs to get money and buy a BB ASP, that is the reason why there
are so many FWs out there. Please, do something about the BBs, the FW are not
really a problem since they are actually allowed to do that (Just that they are
annoying as hell to low lvl CV drivers, specially US PCV)

  • Re : Solution to Border Humped Planes.

    06. 03. 2011 01:04

ljsevern
""Future TM" where have we heard this? Until I see it on pach note on launcher it didnt
happen."

>>> I suggest you check out the test server discussion forum, as well as posts made by
the dev's and GM's. Regarding AAW, there are two ways to do this; Re-activating the AAW
stat of sailors to provide a bonus to ship AAW (could require large coding changes). OR,
rebalance ship AAW values. The previous aircraft patch was completely bugged as it made
fighters in general far more durable. That is the next project (aircraft).

Also t1 and t2 are as durable as paper. For the fun, I tried 1 game t2 with 62-65 lvl
crew. Vs anything but bombers they did 0 kills. 6vs3 and they all die even with best
posible dragging. So no matter the stats you see, the hidden ones make t1 and t2 not
100 but 300% useless.

>>> Not hidden stats, but pilot stats. Higher level fighters with those fighters are
fantastic.

T3 on same pilots 75 lvl behave like locals lvl 55-60 (1-1 ratio to everything but us t4 )

>>> Overall, they are better. However, T1's and T2's have more fuel, more armour and
more health than T3 fighters.

Wasnt the game about teamwork and tactic , not how big is your....level?"

>>Teamwork and skill does come into it, but as your level goes on, you get better
equipment; Otherwise, what is the point in levelling? Its the whole basis of this game, in
every respect.

I am not saying the fighter system is perfect. But complaining about not being
competitive below level 75 is just useless. Level up more; 50% of the game is 1-105.

  • Re : Solution to Border Humped Planes.

    06. 02. 2011 21:34

Adamai
he isnt limited whukid,, but hopefully some time soon he will be prevented from useing the
borders..

if you are useing borders to hide your bombers you are infact exploiting the games short
falls and programming to get an advantage over other players, thats called
exploiting/cheating.

every single game developer in existance is trying to fix all their games exploits, it
would be bad for business if they did not.

continueing to support border humping will just anoy people whukid and that apears to be
whats happening now.

  • Re : Solution to Border Humped Planes.

    06. 02. 2011 19:13

Kyeld
I would rather like to see the destruction of planes that cross the border and a time
penalty to launch planes applied to the CV for border humping. But I'll recommend this
because doing anything to dissuade players from exploiting is positive.

  • Re : Solution to Border Humped Planes.

    06. 02. 2011 15:52

ludaka
"Future TM" where have we heard this? Until I see it on pach note on launcher it didnt happen.
Also t1 and t2 are as durable as paper. For the fun, I tried 1 game t2 with 62-65 lvl
crew. Vs anything but bombers they did 0 kills. 6vs3 and they all die even with best
posible dragging. So no matter the stats you see, the hidden ones make t1 and t2 not 100
but 300% useless.
T3 on same pilots 75 lvl behave like locals lvl 55-60 (1-1 ratio to everything but us t4 )

Wasnt the game about teamwork and tactic , not how big is your....level?

  • Re : Solution to Border Humped Planes.

    06. 02. 2011 13:17

ljsevern
And that is a problem that will be dealt with in a future patch (AAW).

But planes aren't immune to actual AA fire. On top of that, lower level CV's? You do realise
that with EXP as high as it is, you aren't at a low level for long, and it is a LEVEL BASED
GAME.

On top of that, T1 and T2 fighters are FAR more durable than T3 or T4 fighters.

It is still no excuse to cheat and border hump bombers. I've done fine levelling and not
cheating when playing CV. It is just ignorant, lazy and skill-less players that cheat like it.

  • Re : Solution to Border Humped Planes.

    06. 02. 2011 13:01

ludaka
If you complain about AA ships, lower your planes, it is easy enough.

I hope you understand that planes get immune to automatic AA from 60-70lvl. What about
lower level CV. From the time this topic have become so "big problem", I started looking
who use this bordering tactic and I find that usually Cv2 and rare CV3 use it the most.
Bigger lvl CV just send their own fighter cover and bomb the hell out off bb while AA and
fighters chew the escort.

Atm game mehanic is:
locals or no fighters until 75. How CV can make normal bombing runs with locals to protect
the bombers?


  • Re : Solution to Border Humped Planes.

    06. 02. 2011 12:18

richardphat
***How is it an exploit? This is what you're suggesting;***

Because you just can't understand it period. It is simple. If you can't get it, or fully
understand this, then it's not our fault.


No matter how we explain, you won't get it.
Plus, you are not experienced in the game enough to talk about this. I suggest you to give
up talking on this topic, or come back when you are ready to speak.

Honestly, I am sure over half the people reading here, are talking shit about you, I know
these forums
too well.

Be glad, people do have the gut to tell you this. Else, I could just not tell you what to
do and get flamed by the other, in which you deserve it.
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