These theorist have nothing to gain, the government has everything to gain or lose.
If it was 100% solidly proved that it was a conspiracy, the gov would screwed.

I really do understand you point of view Kozak.

But the can of worms you opened with this thread invited the masses to have their say in
it wether it effected them or not.

Hell, half the replies in this thread were about how bad Bush is as a president. Those
replies had nothing to do with the events of 9/11. And the replies that did concern 9/11
were so far off base it wasn't and still isn't even funny.

"ZOMG IT WAS US SUBS THAT DID IT!" or "The government lied about everything" or "I
heard/read somewhere that it was all staged"

I mean, my God people, do you even read what you type prior to clicking the submit button?
Did any of you lose anyone in that disaster? Judging from the replies in this thread I
would think not.

Furthermore, did any of you actually witness what happened?

And since we're on the subject of "believing what your told" let me ask this. What makes
all these theorists any more credible than the government? Nothing.

It's like religion. You'll believe what you want to believe.

And as I stated earlier; it doesn't matter what we're told or what we believe. What
matters is that we lost thousands of people in the blink of an eye. Some were friends,
some were family but all were loved by someone somewhere and the replies in this thread
are nothing more than an insult to those of us who live with that pain on a daily basis.

Regards,
Chef

P.S. So because they have nothing to gain then it must be true? That's one of the most
pitiful rebutles I have ever seen.
Truely classless.

ok closed

Death is all around us.

British people died on 9/11
141 British and over 1,000 US soldiers have died in iraq.

I am well within my rights to point out where the US governments story is wrong, and to
ask why such a terrible event occured.

I apologise for the insult in the previous post, im just flabbergasted at the people who
have accepted the governments story so willingly without analysing where it is wrong. I
guess that at 1 AM that came out all wrong.

Last post from me since im going to bed...

""meh... chef doesnt have to look at this thread.

The painful memories are probably being caused by the thought that his friend might
have
died because of the Bush's power hungry government.

Maybe seeing a psychiatrist would help in burying the memory?"

You're correct, I don't have to look at this thread. But Gods greatest gift to mankind
was
the freedom of CHOICE.

When I saw the thread I first thought that it might contain something of usefulness.
But
after reading one ignorant reply after another it was readily apparent that this
thread
had degenerated into something awful.

And how dare you mock the memories I have for my friends and family. You should
thank God
that people can't have their asses kicked over the internet. I would do you great
bodily
harm if you had been man enough to say something like that to my face.

Your ignorance of other peoples feelings is astounding. You have obviuosly been
spending
way too much time online and it seems to have desensitized you to the point of
forgetting
that there are actual people on the other end of these replies.

You sir are completely and utterly out of touch with how the real world effects billions
of people on a daily basis. So much so, that you have the audacity to basicly spit in
the
face over every man, woman or child who was left without their loved ones.

I hope tragedy never stikes you the way it did me. But then again, maybe you
wouln't be
such a mental midget if something did happen. On second thought, sure you would.

Regards,
Chef "

I totaly agree Chef. some people take this to far, and I respect greatly the lives of
people who have died in such horrible surcomstances. But we all die at one point,
lives move on. I know i'll witness lots of death once I grow up (soldiers life) but I am
preparing my self for that already. I will honor everyone in this post, even the
people who criticise my point of view. But Chef. with you in the past I totaly agreed,
and here today I continue to do so. Because simply we have same "mind". We honor
people. And honestly I hate to admite this but once I saw all those dead
people.....then "simething got in my eye". Death isnt preaty.... but we all "move on".

PLEASE MOD, close this post.

"meh... chef doesnt have to look at this thread.

The painful memories are probably being caused by the thought that his friend might have
died because of the Bush's power hungry government.

Maybe seeing a psychiatrist would help in burying the memory?"

You're correct, I don't have to look at this thread. But Gods greatest gift to mankind was
the freedom of CHOICE.

When I saw the thread I first thought that it might contain something of usefulness. But
after reading one ignorant reply after another it was readily apparent that this thread
had degenerated into something awful.

And how dare you mock the memories I have for my friends and family. You should thank God
that people can't have their asses kicked over the internet. I would do you great bodily
harm if you had been man enough to say something like that to my face.

Your ignorance of other peoples feelings is astounding. You have obviuosly been spending
way too much time online and it seems to have desensitized you to the point of forgetting
that there are actual people on the other end of these replies.

You sir are completely and utterly out of touch with how the real world effects billions
of people on a daily basis. So much so, that you have the audacity to basicly spit in the
face over every man, woman or child who was left without their loved ones.

I hope tragedy never stikes you the way it did me. But then again, maybe you wouln't be
such a mental midget if something did happen. On second thought, sure you would.

Regards,
Chef

Just remember I always want to stand for the truth.... thats why this was made.

And sorry ChefAce but the turth is simple: US Gov. Lied about the "real story".

Both sides have loop wholes (as Ramp. mensioned) but the story made by gov. is
the one full of more "holes". Please guys out of respect to yourself reread the
evidence segested by many people supporting this idea. And ask your self simple
questions that we mensioned we ask. This post IS NOT meant to creat an answer,
just to point out the cold truth.

If you want some better documented "questions" or "proof" please whatch the
video, and pay special etention to the part about when the plane hit Pantagon. How
there were windown intact to the side barly 2 meters away from the whole. How
there was NO WAY a plane could have went through REINFORCED section of the
building. Which basicly was a bunker. Also the part of the story when it talks about
the "whole" in Pensylvania of the plane who "fought back". And about the visible
missles on the planes that hit WTC. And how Building #7 went down, and what was
contained (documents) in it. And about how the Osama Video was fake. And ofcorse
the most questioned part of how more then half the terrorists live....

If you wasted all this time (close to a week) on this post, then wast another 1 hour
5 min on the video. To see what we are really talking about.

@wtcx.: you said how you lost respect to some people in here. I am assuming I am
one of them. Also you mensioned how you will fallow your brothers steps and move
to the life of a military man. I am planing on doing the same exact thing, Marines.
Then Navy Seals. Also my dream is to be a pilot, so maybe Airforce. And I want to
know what I am fighting for.... when honestly "freadom" isnt it. I love the ideas of
what this country stands for, and I am a great patriot of it. But some things dont
make sence, thats why I am willing to sacrify my status to find out the truth. And I
hope you understand that. I love democracy, and all the "God Like Heaven on Earth"
that comes with it. But those policies are being broken by people who are incharge
of supporting them.... So thats why I support this "conspiracy" idea. To find out the
turth to my question: Why?!

Please understand my point of view.

"And if its looney and crazy to believe a conspiracy theory, then its stupid and
brainless to believe what your told without questioning itand looking for facts and
not question the government, it is America elegde land of the free, not Soviet Russia.

Dont delete it, this is a good discussion, its just being ruined by a few people who
would be happier in Soviet Russia coz they believe it must be true because the
government says it, trying to kill th thread coz they dont like freedom."

I'm going to do my best not to be aggrevated by your reply here.

It's not wether or not you believe the government or the theorists. It's not about the so
called facts either.

It's about the thousands of men and women who were going about their daily lives when
tragedy struck. Those people lost their lives in the blink of an eye.

It doesn't matter what the facts are and it doesn't matter what other people believe.

What matters is that PEOPLE who have friends and family died on that horrible day.
What matters is that we remember them for who they were and for what they had accomplished
during their lives.
What matters is that the people they left behind are still trying to pick up the pieces
and move on with their lives.

Discussing this is one thing. But to bring up these theories, which can not be proven
beyond a doubt, does more harm than good.

Now if you wish to keep tossing out remarks about Soviet Russia, brainwashing, crowd
control or any other such nonsense, then please do it properly and get all the FACTS as
they relate to that day.

Other than that you guys are all guessing and theorizing about a tragedy that has effected
millions of people in one way or another. Not to mention how it directly effects those who
had friends and family who died in that horrible tragedy.

I won't apologize for being offended by this thread nor will I apologize for the ignorance
of others. Rather, I'll pitty you instead, for it must be a lonely and unsatisfying life
for you to trivialize the events of September 11, 2001.

I remember my friends and family for who they were and it doesn't matter who was
responsible as it doesn't bring them back nor does it change the FACT that they are n
longer with us.

Maybe if you had friends and family who died on that day, you would feel differently. But
then again, after reading your replies, I doubt you would.

Regards,
Chef

"Thanks for the reply Ramp4ge, you just say that is terrorist who was flying the
planes.
You just proove the conspiracy is just a big lie. "

If u read any of this thread, u would read what i said about the US government
working with terrorists, its US policy to work with crazy terrorists or dictarors from
the middle east then screwing them over.

Im not one who normally believes in conspiracy theories, but i believe this one
because it is backed up by "EVIDENCE" something that is unheard of in the US, its
not as if u should believe facts over a book becuase its 2000 years old.

And if its looney and crazy to believe a conspiracy theory, then its stupid and
brainless to believe what your told without questioning itand looking for facts and
not question the government, it is America elegde land of the free, not Soviet Russia.

Dont delete it, this is a good discussion, its just being ruined by a few people who
would be happier in Soviet Russia coz they believe it must be true because the
government says it, trying to kill th thread coz they dont like freedom.

Thanks Kozak.

You're a class act and I do appreciate your understanding of the matter.

Again, thanks.

Regards,
Chef