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@TNF: Allow us to ban BBs with no Scouts!
05. 08. 2012 08:13
Chief0Milo
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*edit* Basically TL:DR: Give us the right to ban scoutless BBs that can carry scouts.
They are more often than not scrounging off those of us who do use our scouts, and we have to waste more effort into scouting than we should, to make up for the lack of someone elses scout.
I have to sacrifice a slot for my scout so why should I have to sacrifice it so someone else can level up an extra sailor instead of helping the team to be able to see?
I've lost count of how many battles I had this morning (let alone any other day) where I was close to being the only one scouting north or south, and when my scout died, we went blind.
Why should we be forced to play with these lazy people?
Scouting is an important part of a BB, no more than it is important for a cv to provide at fighter cover or bomb/tb something.
When BBs go 1v1, if one person chose not to scout, it'd be 99% the time the scouter who would win.
GBs are no different, just with more ships. The little ships get blasted out the water more often than they can stay close long enough to be of any scouting value. CVs are busy providing FC or bombing something and thus also need some sort of vision to be of any use. Our BBs are designed to carry scouts and use them for a purpose. SDE(or TNF) stopped people being able to use the Revenge with triple 8''s and armour whore it to the max. They make BB6s with fixed guns, so they are already forcing people to use the ships as they were MEANT to be used.
Times have changed, Why can't the rules be updated to reflect this? No one goes in the AW normal rooms, so don't even bother saying to make them AW's to give me the 'right' to ban freely. GB is the 'new AW normal' room. Let the ability to justifiably ban someone be updated to follow suit.
I don't want to ban freely, and be banhappy. I just want the right to ban people who don't scout because they prefer a few more exp on another sailor which is not only unhelpful, but down right arrogant to expect other people to do part of his job for him.
I have already started.
When i host, I ban BBs with no scouts. Report me all you want, I shall take the 'bans' that I receive from being reported for doing it.
And when that ban is over, I shall come back, when I host, I shall ban non scouters again.
And again, and again, until I get a permaban if need be. Someone has to take a stand.
If its just me doing this, I'll just get continually banned. If others who feel the same follow suit, and enough do it, they will have to listen and at least consider it.
I'm not doing this just so I can do what the hell I want, I feel this is very mucch a big part that needs sorting out, like they finally sorted out the Border Humping.
But if people want to regain at least some of the decency that NF once had, give us this right, and ban BBs with no scouts!
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Re : @TNF: Allow us to ban BBs with no Scouts!
05. 09. 2012 08:23
Chief0Milo
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Originally Posted by NewYorkBoy
Well actually i'm very mature, But for me to take NF/SDE serious is pointless. And for someone who has the maturity of a ''10yrs old'' how does it feels that I'm 10x better than you are?. But all joke aside your bring up a topic that has been discussed for years. Nothing is gonna change. There's guys who has a scout loaded and still does not use it. So to say ban BBs because they have no scout does not change much. Its the same as having a CV with fters and not knowing how to use them. At this point in NF all BB players should accept the fact that they are all alone when it comes to sight Period.
I'm not asking SDE/NF to be taken serious, I'm asking this issue to be taken serious, just like leechers were taken serious when shared exp first came around. This was never an issue when shared exp was not around and GBs were not around, and AWs were the norm. People would ban on sight any BB that did not have a scout (Nelly excepted). I don't mind someone with a 'maturity of a 10 year old' being better than me at all, people are better than me and I accept that xD Joking aside, Yes it has been discussed, but because nothing ever happened, I don't think people really care, as shared exp has replaced peoples /care. But I care. I don't care for shared exp. A BB that is blind and usually goes scoutless but this time has a scout, I will 90% guarantee they will decide to launch it (no matter how long it takes, they will eventually). Bit different to CVs who have fighters but don't know what to do with them, if they know to launch them, the fighters have a mind of their own so would hopefully do something if sent away. Even still, CVs don't need much sight to send fighters around, but BBs need sight to kill stuff and complete their role. Relying on muzzle flashes isn't a permanent reliable solution.
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Re : @TNF: Allow us to ban BBs with no Scouts!
05. 09. 2012 08:26
Vette117
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I personally say no. My reasoning:
1.) I don't always use a scout on my BBs, but I make sure that I contribute to the battle, and give as much to it as I can. When I don't use a scout, I don't expect vision, and I don't whine at CVs, or other BBs to scout for me.
2.) Yes, scouts are helpful to the team, and there is a reason for them. However, if someone has a setup, and it can't or doesn't want to include a scout, then there is going to be no way for the player to level. If you are worried about someone on your team who doesn't have a scout, then follow them and put your scout up. If you start forcing me to change the way I play the game, I will quit. Simple as that. I play the game for fun, because it is a GAME. If you want to change it so much, and obliterate all of my chances for fun, then there is no point in playing.
3.) If anything, scoutless BBs are promoting better gameplay for other players. They are hurting themselves by not being able to hit anything if they are blind, and can't play while blind, therefore, other players will learn to manage their scouts, fighters, bombers, or whatever better so they can maintain optimal vision. Some players are good enough the can play with minimal to no vision. Your hit rate will be far less, but they can still hold the line.
Summary: Don't penalize the players who don't use scouts, because not all players want or need to use them, just give a bonus (not a ridiculous one) to players who do use scouts.
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Re : @TNF: Allow us to ban BBs with no Scouts!
05. 09. 2012 08:39
Chief0Milo
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Originally Posted by Vette117
1) Yes, scouts are helpful to the team, and there is a reason for them. However, if someone has a setup, and it can't or doesn't want to include a scout, then there is going to be no way for the player to level.
2) If you are worried about someone on your team who doesn't have a scout, then follow them and put your scout up. If you start forcing me to change the way I play the game, I will quit. Simple as that. I play the game for fun, because it is a GAME. If you want to change it so much, and obliterate all of my chances for fun, then there is no point in playing.
3.) If anything, scoutless BBs are promoting better gameplay for other players. They are hurting themselves by not being able to hit anything if they are blind, and can't play while blind, therefore, other players will learn to manage their scouts, fighters, bombers, or whatever better so they can maintain optimal vision. Some players are good enough the can play with minimal to no vision. Your hit rate will be far less, but they can still hold the line.
Have numbered for ease of response: 1) How on earth is there NO way for them to level if they suddenly have to have a scout? I mean seriously, like how?! Plenty of people level with a scout. I decide crew that I want to level up. If that means without a scout on a ship that can scout, then I sacrifice a slot of levelling so I can scout. 2)Highlighted in bold in the quoted text. By not carrying a scout YOU are now forcing me how to play already!!! How on earth is that fair, and why the hell should I go off to help someone that doesn't care to help out with vision at the detriment to my own efforts/fun?! You are contradicting yourself in that statement. At what point is using a scout 'obliterating all chances for fun'? Exagerated drama queen much =/ 3) Scouting isn't meant to be the primary role of a BB. I already know how to scout, and micromanage it, but it puts extra pressure on me to scout more area because someone else doesn't want to. One can only be so good at using a scout before scouting takes over what I should be doing, and that is killing people, not being a big ass carrier for a single scout pilot. There is only so much optimal vision. A car that is designed to run at 60mpg optimal efficiency will never run more than 60 mpg efficiency if nothing on it is physically changed. You cna keep close to that 60 as long as possible, but it'll never go over.
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Re : @TNF: Allow us to ban BBs with no Scouts!
05. 09. 2012 09:09
SaseCaiBlele
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Originally Posted by Chief0Milo
Originally Posted by cena200
You guys dont use muzzle flash? wow too many blitz generation.... It is perfectly easy to fight without a scout, infact I would say it is easier (1 you dont have to control it, although this is no real problem anyway, 2, Enemy think you are blind so play more stupid and trundle into a full volley) :D
OFC I use muzzleflash, but thats only if the enemy BB is shooting at you. When they stop you can't predict where they are efficiently enough to know that you can carry on as though that whole area was scouted. I am NOT blitz generation <.> If you are so happy with that, then I challenge you to a 1v1, you no scout, and I'll use my scout. We'll see how well your arguement holds out then =P Baring in mind when I last 1v1'd you with scouts (when I lost xD), you had 2 scout pilots, to ensure you DID have sight at ALL times. So, kinda contradicts your own arguement a bit? Why couldn't you have just used 1 scout and followed my muzzle flashes? =P *edit* @ SaseCaiBlele
Your arguement is not on topic of scoutless BBs but CVs who DB whore. Please make your own thread for that. My whine thread is purely about scoutless BBs.
I have already started.
When i host, I ban BBs with no scouts. Report me all you want, I shall take the 'bans' that I receive from being reported for doing it.
And when that ban is over, I shall come back, when I host, I shall ban non scouters again.
host gb-play cv db-whore.i start count u 3 min ans if time end me im camped ft u dont kill enamy cv I tk u
and i give 1 big crap if im permanet baned
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Re : @TNF: Allow us to ban BBs with no Scouts!
05. 09. 2012 09:19
cena200
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If you are so happy with that, then I challenge you to a 1v1, you no scout, and I'll use my scout. We'll see how well your arguement holds out then =P
If we do this bb5, and I can use monty (I know this ship better than any other) then I will gladly take you up on this offer, but only if we fight for creds :)
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Re : @TNF: Allow us to ban BBs with no Scouts!
05. 09. 2012 10:43
McTass
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Originally Posted by Vette117
I personally say no. My reasoning:
1.) I don't always use a scout on my BBs, but I make sure that I contribute to the battle, and give as much to it as I can. When I don't use a scout, I don't expect vision, and I don't whine at CVs, or other BBs to scout for me.
2.) Yes, scouts are helpful to the team, and there is a reason for them. However, if someone has a setup, and it can't or doesn't want to include a scout, then there is going to be no way for the player to level. If you are worried about someone on your team who doesn't have a scout, then follow them and put your scout up. If you start forcing me to change the way I play the game, I will quit. Simple as that. I play the game for fun, because it is a GAME. If you want to change it so much, and obliterate all of my chances for fun, then there is no point in playing.
3.) If anything, scoutless BBs are promoting better gameplay for other players. They are hurting themselves by not being able to hit anything if they are blind, and can't play while blind, therefore, other players will learn to manage their scouts, fighters, bombers, or whatever better so they can maintain optimal vision. Some players are good enough the can play with minimal to no vision. Your hit rate will be far less, but they can still hold the line.
Summary: Don't penalize the players who don't use scouts, because not all players want or need to use them, just give a bonus (not a ridiculous one) to players who do use scouts.
So, my proposal of not giving sight provided from other scouts to BBs that don't carry scouts won't affect your fun :D you should be happy :) if your fun is being blind, this fix will maximize that
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Re : @TNF: Allow us to ban BBs with no Scouts!
05. 09. 2012 10:57
Tomoyogrado
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I'm BB and CV player, and when I play with CV is very annoying to have players who require very badly and that CV's will provide vision when we as BB users are required to keep our scouts, the task of CV's not be providing vision, but to reduce the maximum power of the opposing team through their torpedo bombers and fighters and maintain its air superiority. And how many times have we left the CV's face alone the SS? As a player at BB if I am in favor of banning the players rooms that do not carry BB scout.
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Re : @TNF: Allow us to ban BBs with no Scouts!
05. 09. 2012 10:58
Neat
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Start hosting BB rooms with the title BB1-5 or whatever and add No scout = kick. Then you can kick the scoutless bb(except nelson) and it will be legal. Problem solved :)
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Re : @TNF: Allow us to ban BBs with no Scouts!
05. 09. 2012 11:09
tappo01
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Originally Posted by Neat
Start hosting BB rooms with the title BB1-5 or whatever and add No scout = kick. Then you can kick the scoutless bb(except nelson) and it will be legal. Problem solved :)
Are you stuck in like 2006-2007?
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Re : @TNF: Allow us to ban BBs with no Scouts!
05. 09. 2012 11:29
Neat
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Originally Posted by tappo01
Originally Posted by Neat
Start hosting BB rooms with the title BB1-5 or whatever and add No scout = kick. Then you can kick the scoutless bb(except nelson) and it will be legal. Problem solved :)
Are you stuck in like 2006-2007?
Are you always a d-bag? What is stopping someone from hosting a bb room, or all welcome room? I doubt SDE/TNF will allow people to be kicked from shared xp rooms for no scout, so if the OP wants to play games with scouts, my idea would work. No need for your snide remarks.
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