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  • Fleet Leader Area - Post Merge

    10. 19. 2012 00:49


vick11

The head of NFNA has agreed that a Fleet Leader area can be returned to the forums at some point after the server merge when workload permits.  However, it will be in a different format and with standard forum rules applied (hence some work and time to do it).  It will only be available to actual Fleet Leader accounts that have been checked as such and fleets with legitimate player memberships (legitimate = not a ghost fleet or one with multiple accounts accessed or owned by one or two individuals).  There is likely to be an application process for access to it and there will be a policy of removal if it is shown that people other than the Fleet Leader are posting in the area.  The basic tenet will be it exists for the more fleet-specific issues.

 

As that gets developed further, including applying for access, I will add it here.

 

  • Re : Fleet Leader Area - Post Merge

    10. 19. 2012 00:59


Cracko

Nice news.

Do you need to be a fleet leader account for applying for access?

Do you know if it will be limited to 1 account per fleet or more?

  • Re : Fleet Leader Area - Post Merge

    10. 19. 2012 01:09


vick11

The intent conveyed to me is 1 account per fleet that is the Fleet Leader account, which will be approved through an application for access and then will be monitored to ensured only the Fleet Leader is posting in that area.  I get that may cause some issues with fleets where the fleet leader is not necessarily the account that has the Fleet status and we will probably have to do some tieing together of data (not physically but noted). 

 

So for instance you could technically say I am the Fleet Leader of TeamNF but my account is not the fleet account, there is another one for that purpose.  I know a few fleets have set up this way so that any future change of fleet leader does not mean a whole reform etc.  In those instances I would see (To Be Confirmed) that the Fleet Leader would use the Fleet Account for access to the fleet leader area, but we would know who was the Fleet Leader and what there actual playing account ID was.  Any changes to the Fleet Leader position would then need to notified to avoid having access removed when we see somone different posting.  Hopefully that explanation makes sense?

 

 

  • Re : Fleet Leader Area - Post Merge

    10. 19. 2012 01:39


Zyzzo

Thanks Vick, hope to see that forum WORK

  • Re : Fleet Leader Area - Post Merge

    10. 19. 2012 01:58


Cracko

Originally Posted by vick11

The intent conveyed to me is 1 account per fleet that is the Fleet Leader account, which will be approved through an application for access and then will be monitored to ensured only the Fleet Leader is posting in that area.  I get that may cause some issues with fleets where the fleet leader is not necessarily the account that has the Fleet status and we will probably have to do some tieing together of data (not physically but noted). 

 

So for instance you could technically say I am the Fleet Leader of TeamNF but my account is not the fleet account, there is another one for that purpose.  I know a few fleets have set up this way so that any future change of fleet leader does not mean a whole reform etc.  In those instances I would see (To Be Confirmed) that the Fleet Leader would use the Fleet Account for access to the fleet leader area, but we would know who was the Fleet Leader and what there actual playing account ID was.  Any changes to the Fleet Leader position would then need to notified to avoid having access removed when we see somone different posting.  Hopefully that explanation makes sense?

 

 

 

Ya, but there are other setups for fleets where the old fleet leader is a real account and is currently inactive, this isn't well suited for that kind of fleets.

Maybe fleets should be able to design one representative, even not being the fleet leader account.

Anyways the important thing is to have the fleet leaders forums back :)

  • Re : Fleet Leader Area - Post Merge

    10. 19. 2012 02:03


vick11

Cracko,  I know what you mean and that might be covered by the formal notification of change of Fleet Leader, so we know who it is posting on the account that is actually tagged as the Fleet Leader.  There are details to be worked up, but I dont think it is insurmountable.

 

  • Re : Fleet Leader Area - Post Merge

    10. 19. 2012 05:23


ljsevern

We went through this last time you set up the area. There needs to be room for CO's and a number of XO's.

Having a single account is a mistake. What happens in the leader is away for a few days? 

There was the issue of people making fake fleets, and the permissions not being removed for people who were a leader and were kicked/left that fleet.

I've been saying there needs to be rules there for a long time, given at how people were allowed to flat out flame me there. However, the rules should allow for critisism of SDE and TNF (within reason; No swearing/personal vendetta's).

It should also be known who the actual fleet leader for each fleet is. 

And you should do fleet leader meetings with a member of SDE attending. 

  • Re : Fleet Leader Area - Post Merge

    10. 19. 2012 05:33


TSLordPred

Good to hear Vick.  See what I mean by actually talking it out, good things can happen.

LJ, Vick did say its a starting point.  Let them make sure true fleets and its leaders sign up and then XO's can be added in.

  • Re : Fleet Leader Area - Post Merge

    10. 19. 2012 06:29


ljsevern

Originally Posted by TSLordPred

Good to hear Vick.  See what I mean by actually talking it out, good things can happen.

LJ, Vick did say its a starting point.  Let them make sure true fleets and its leaders sign up and then XO's can be added in.



I've not read in this thread where he is considering adding XO's, unless i've missed something. If that is the case, then fair enough, but from the sounds of his posts, he wants one person per fleet and that is it.

The old system of appointing XO's to get access was fine; That doesn't need changing. What does, is a limit on XO numbers, an update on people losing access when they leave the fleet ingame, and fleets only getting access if say, they are over a certain amount numbers wise (with manual checks for 1/2man storage fleets).

An idea would be to tie in the fleet membership ingame with the website; I.e. if you leave ingame, you leave the fleet on the website. 

  • Re : Fleet Leader Area - Post Merge

    10. 19. 2012 06:41


Elliot2lazy

Overall it still kind of seems like two steps back ward, one step forward.

This should have happened without having to take the whole thing down imo. As far as the whole ghosting fleet times, I think TNF should have just looked into the fleet applying at the time to get permission to use that area and screened them as a fleet a lot better.

I know all is easier said than done, but all of this could have been avoided and that's why it still at least somewhat seems like two steps backward one step forward.

  • Re : Fleet Leader Area - Post Merge

    10. 19. 2012 06:42


Zyzzo

LJ what he means is:
Start from this, then work to have something better. but at least start
if vick find more "trustable" only FL, let the forum begin with this, then if he see some issue with one per one, he can implement access for xo after

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