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  • Whats the origins of this saying?

    12. 11. 2012 06:26


IcedBroom_

"The captain must always go down with the ship!" or "The captain goes down with the ship!". I understand where it comes from BUT im wondering WHEN  it started! Please tell me im wondering as heck :D.

 

  • Re : Whats the origins of this saying?

    12. 11. 2012 10:02


Kdoggiedogg

this is what ive allways heard...

"The origin of this antiquated tradition has to do with the maritime law of salvaging. If after a collision or other vessel distress the Capt got off ship then anyone could salvage it by putting a line on it, towing it to port and claim much of its cargo as a salvaging fee. However, if he stayed aboard, then the salvage fees could be negotiated at much more favorable terms for the ship owners. Thus, a big incentive for a captain to stay with a floating ship."

  • Re : Whats the origins of this saying?

    12. 11. 2012 11:22


Sindher

Some say it is morale boosting to see your leader in a time of crisis and errr...leading.

Other say that it rarely happens and the Captain will save himself too.


La Costa Concordia 2011.

  • Re : Whats the origins of this saying?

    12. 11. 2012 12:08


BlackProject

Originally Posted by Sindher

Some say it is morale boosting to see your leader in a time of crisis and errr...leading.

Other say that it rarely happens and the Captain will save himself too.


La Costa Concordia 2011.

That was 2012 no?

  • Re : Whats the origins of this saying?

    12. 11. 2012 14:56


IcedBroom_

Originally Posted by BlackProject

Originally Posted by Sindher

Some say it is morale boosting to see your leader in a time of crisis and errr...leading.

Other say that it rarely happens and the Captain will save himself too.


La Costa Concordia 2011.

That was 2012 no?



January 2012 my man. But guys im asking WHAT YEAR DID WE START USEING THIS SAYING? Like was it 1408 or earlyier?

  • Re : Whats the origins of this saying?

    12. 11. 2012 20:07


FuriCuri

Originally Posted by Sindher

Some say it is morale boosting to see your leader in a time of crisis and errr...leading.

Other say that it rarely happens and the Captain will save himself too.


La Costa Concordia 2011.


that guy "fell" off the ship onto a lifeboat....

  • Re : Whats the origins of this saying?

    12. 12. 2012 04:00


CA74

Well, he didnt "fall" off the ship, he was merely escorting his girlfriend and a few bottles of vino to safety.

He felt responsible for their safety since he crashed the ship showboating like a schoolkid on a bike.

"Hold my wine and watch this!" 

  • Re : Whats the origins of this saying?

    12. 12. 2012 08:51


JohnnyQuick

I am not sure when that saying originated at the moment, however the phrase is in relation to the man who exercises responsibility and courage while occupying the top leadership position. The Captain or skipper is in charge and ultimately responsible for all under his charge. The Captain's duty is to account for all those under his charge in time of crisis and must never be seen to shirk his duty to his crew.
The Captain is the highest paid on any ship, and must earn and hold the respect of all his crew, lest there be concerns for the crew's well being which must come first after boat is disabled or unable to continue combat.
As a crewman, I would not serve well under a dandy or coward. Captain's which display cowardly traits are proven to be untrustworthy and unreliable.
For the Captain to go down with the ship is also a matter of honor and insures less chance of divulging state secrets to enemy interrogation.

Commercial Merchant or Pleasure cruise Captains must make sure all passengers are placed before he takes leave of a doomed vessel. 

  • Re : Whats the origins of this saying?

    12. 12. 2012 09:25


Sindher

Originally Posted by BlackProject

Originally Posted by Sindher

Some say it is morale boosting to see your leader in a time of crisis and errr...leading.

Other say that it rarely happens and the Captain will save himself too.


La Costa Concordia 2011.

That was 2012 no?



It feels like it was so long ago. This year has flown past :/.

  • Re : Whats the origins of this saying?

    12. 12. 2012 21:03


IcedBroom_
Originally Posted by Sindher

Originally Posted by BlackProject

Originally Posted by Sindher

Some say it is morale boosting to see your leader in a time of crisis and errr...leading.

Other say that it rarely happens and the Captain will save himself too.


La Costa Concordia 2011.

That was 2012 no?



It feels like it was so long ago. This year has flown past :/.



I think were getting a tiny bit off topic here guys xD.

  • Re : Whats the origins of this saying?

    12. 31. 2012 11:30


ErwinJA

Despite the legal implications and concept being much older, the notion, as far as I know, is a fairly modern one, dating back no earlier than the mid-19th Century. Specifically, it arose from Victorian era ethics and notions of responsibility. Another one that gained traction around the same time was "women and children first," which was generally attributed to the HMS Birkenhead in 1852 (and later popularized by Rudyard Kipling). However, the concept of "the captain goes down with the ship" has no specific event or law or writing that can be pointed to as its origin. What we do know is that, while the concept had been around for decades, the idiom really gained fame and popularity after the sinking of the RMS Titanic in 1912.

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