these ss and asw threads get deleted cos the become a flame between ss and bb players
the ss and asw is in progress on the test server so post your opinion in the the testserver forms

Since I am on my 6th or 7th boot from server today, I see the thread addressing this issue got deleted or disappeared somewhere LOL.

Alex Caboose! I had to retire before I got to see an answer to my question regarding your insistence players refrain from using terms like "Nerf" and "Buff" to describe issues designers or planners employ.

What equally descriptive terms could be used on this forum? 

{EDIT - Too much connection trial may be reason - could not log back in this time} 

Wow Alex, I figured you would have had an answer by now for my question. You may be busy elsewhere though.

Maybe someone from testing may be able to answer my question,...?

As Nyer has stated countless times, when looking at a rebalance, all traits of a ship will be looked at. The terms nerf and buff cause everyone to go into a frenzy without looking at the big picture. Yes, some things will be nerfed. Others will be buffed. But there will be trade-offs and compromises made in many areas in order to achieve a greater overall balance. 

In yesterday's thread, no one wanted to talk about the numerous buffs we had hoped to achieve. There are quite a few, and you are free to investigate them in the Test Server Forum. However, I will highlight that we do hope to remove dud torpedoes. 

Anti-recommended.


Sub armor is fine as it is. Use HH or PHH on gradual and you will be fine. 

Ridiculous?

I just put 8 torpedoes (2 X 4 Salvos) into an Italian BB5 and it laughed at me.  Each torpedo is 22,000 HE.  That was 8 X 22,000 HE and not a puff of smoke.

Real life?  The real Bismarck was stopped in its tracks with one torpedo from a type 1 biplane torpdoe bomber.

How about 11 torpdoe bombers trying to stop a BB5 from a carrier?  Not gonna happen with the mega bulge.  That BB just keeps on coming....

3 minutes of air and you're dead. That's the life of a submarine.

As a matter of fact, most 1-shots are competely devastating to a sub.  99% of players think all of their shells hit the sub, when in fact their shells are all around the sub with only a few hitting it.

When I hear crybabies whine all day about subs this, subs that...it makes me want to go get my sub and hunt them down.   Loudmouths are big targets.  Keep talking.  I need to know which direction to find you.

The test team who are objective will be looking at this in particular as well as all other traits.

Don't worry. Subs will be balanced.