KM had a stealth sub. Diesel on surface, Hydrogen-peroxide underwater with a smooth silent turbine engine, 40+ knots underwater, this fast speed is partly due to subs have less water resistance underwater than on surface.  Unlike most subs it, appears that it could only stay down for 3-4 hours due to heat and saftey concerns , whereas most subs could stay down for 24 hours or longer.  They also had a 30+ knot underwater sub with more and better battery capability.


Also didnt some W W 2 subs have some sort of snorkel, to stay under longer ?  

you do know the game is != RL

Because the Yamato and other BBs went 40 knots IRL :D But seriously, nerfing subs' speed to under 20 knots isnt how to balance them. That would just cripple the entire class in for this game. Balancing them is going to take a lot of changes to different areas.

For the moment, I would be satisfied if they fixed the issue with submergence (I believe that is the term for what I am thinking of) so a SS can't take more of a beating than a BB4 as they do currently, increased the minimum reload speed of SS torps by quite a lot, but decrease the dud rate somewhat along with that. Also, a better range of countermeasures would be nice. DCs on scouts has been mentioned before, and it seems like a good idea to me.

Did not the torps hit so hard that even one torp would cripple even the largest warship ?

Torpedoes damage is dependent on where it hits, the quality of armour it hits, and how much actual explosives are within the torpedo.

a battleship or aircraft carrier could take several hits, but something like a frigate would be taken out in one(and thats the expected durability of a frigate versus torpedoes ingame).

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#1 submarine torpedoes have much longer range than ingame.

#2 submarines move much slower above and below water than ingame.

#3 submarines could have enough power for around a day or more, so they can stay submerged until a match would be over.

#4 submarines carry little to no armor, and are fragile to damage. there arent any battleship sized submarines. most are smaller than frigates.

#5 damage to a submarine can damage the ballast preventing or forcing the sub to surface

#6 hedgehog mortars are contact explosives. they explode when they hit something. They also dont have the water barrier that weakens the explosive damage of timed depth charges.

overall submarines in real life are more "glass". more destructive, but more fagile. if detected, escape is a priority, not "tanking" damage and taking 100+ hedgehog mortars.

Agreed with phantom, this is a pretty silly suggestion.

In RL WWII, subs were not meant to attack warships. They were supposed to be commerce raiders (with some exceptions, as you no doubt would remind us). So subs in NF are already "out of their element" (as Walter Sobchak would say in "The Big Lebowski"). And too bloody right, the rest of the fleet (CV/BB/CA/CL...) can't be historically accurate either for game balancing reasons.

So let's make like a 0.01% chance of any and all ships being obliterated with a 40% entire crew loss from one shell. Also, make it so if even one bomb hits a CV if they are loading bombers and the dive bomber pilot who bombs it is EBVE the CV sinks instantly. Oh and BBs can't shoot all guns at the same time or they will rock back really far, some even rip the front deck off like the nelson.