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Haruna or B65???
01. 11. 2014 02:04
coronaBis
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Hi M8s,
can anyone give a answer of advantage and disadvantage of these 2 ships?
Guns, Supportslots e.g.??
Regards
Corona
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Re : Haruna or B65???
01. 11. 2014 11:20
lexica
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Haruna is basically a Nagato with less DP. (same gun, same accuracy, same supports, same speed). So like Nagato it is playable right off the bat (meaning you can load a 70- or 80-ish crew on it and enjoy the fun). Ok you might be missing some SD points and OH time but not a critical matter.
B65 like all other PBB needs a good crew to run well. Gun has better accuracy (they have similar range) than Nagato but that's only with a 100-ish gunner, can run 45 knots compared to Nagato/Haruna's 42 (40 with a heavy crew), but only with 100-ish engineers (while for Nagato and Haruna their speedcap is reachable with next to no engineers). B65 has 12 T slots for AA (the others only have a pitiful 4), but you want to delay classing IJN AA gunner as far as possible. B65 do have (way) better turning force but it also has a bigger hull making you catch enemy shells more easily. And B65's 45-degree elevation is harder to master than Haruna's 43-degree one. To me, B65 with a average lv70 crew is, like the Dunk, unplayable.
I wouldn't judge the two in absolute terms, but I hope that enough for you to decide
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Re : Haruna or B65???
01. 12. 2014 04:21
power_surge
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Originally Posted by lexica
Haruna is basically a Nagato with less DP. (same gun, same accuracy, same supports, same speed). So like Nagato it is playable right off the bat (meaning you can load a 70- or 80-ish crew on it and enjoy the fun). Ok you might be missing some SD points and OH time but not a critical matter.
B65 like all other PBB needs a good crew to run well. Gun has better accuracy (they have similar range) than Nagato but that's only with a 100-ish gunner, can run 45 knots compared to Nagato/Haruna's 42 (40 with a heavy crew), but only with 100-ish engineers (while for Nagato and Haruna their speedcap is reachable with next to no engineers). B65 has 12 T slots for AA (the others only have a pitiful 4), but you want to delay classing IJN AA gunner as far as possible. B65 do have (way) better turning force but it also has a bigger hull making you catch enemy shells more easily. And B65's 45-degree elevation is harder to master than Haruna's 43-degree one. To me, B65 with a average lv70 crew is, like the Dunk, unplayable.
I wouldn't judge the two in absolute terms, but I hope that enough for you to decide
actually you are wrong haruna is based of the kongo, mutsu is the nagato variant.
and go with b65 more support and a good lvling ship untill you get fuso
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Re : Haruna or B65???
01. 12. 2014 07:06
makeso13
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Originally Posted by power_surge
Originally Posted by lexica
Haruna is basically a Nagato with less DP. (same gun, same accuracy, same supports, same speed). So like Nagato it is playable right off the bat (meaning you can load a 70- or 80-ish crew on it and enjoy the fun). Ok you might be missing some SD points and OH time but not a critical matter.
B65 like all other PBB needs a good crew to run well. Gun has better accuracy (they have similar range) than Nagato but that's only with a 100-ish gunner, can run 45 knots compared to Nagato/Haruna's 42 (40 with a heavy crew), but only with 100-ish engineers (while for Nagato and Haruna their speedcap is reachable with next to no engineers). B65 has 12 T slots for AA (the others only have a pitiful 4), but you want to delay classing IJN AA gunner as far as possible. B65 do have (way) better turning force but it also has a bigger hull making you catch enemy shells more easily. And B65's 45-degree elevation is harder to master than Haruna's 43-degree one. To me, B65 with a average lv70 crew is, like the Dunk, unplayable.
I wouldn't judge the two in absolute terms, but I hope that enough for you to decide
actually you are wrong haruna is based of the kongo, mutsu is the nagato variant.
and go with b65 more support and a good lvling ship untill you get fuso
i believe haruna is based on nagato..i check the guns..its the same as nagato..just less dp and some stuff..but it is nagato like for me
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Re : Haruna or B65???
01. 12. 2014 07:28
ErwinJA
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The Mutsu is the Nagato with an accuracy buff and an extra bind per gun.
The Haruna is a Kongo with Nagato guns and FCS, but with 1 less bind per gun.
As for the B65, it's the weakest of the PBBs, by far. With a high level crew, it has good AA, good speed, and decent range. But it's firepower is always anemic, and it has the worst spread of all PBBs. Truthfully, I ended up not using the B65 much even with the 7 supports, but I also skipped the Nagato - the Fuso has the same supports, can sport more bulge, and is superior in everything but range and DP.
Still, between the B65 and Haruna, it's a choice. The Haruna will not have its ideal gun set until 15 levels after the B65, but the B65 itself really isn't useful until BB4 level, at which point you might as well use the Yamato unless you're leveling extra supports well below your main crew. For that, the Haruna has better range and firepower, and is useful for the main crew at a lower level, while the B65 has better speed and AA, and an extra support slot.
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Re : Haruna or B65???
01. 12. 2014 13:01
power_surge
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i believe haruna is based on nagato..i check the guns..its the same as nagato..just less dp and some stuff..but it is nagato like for me
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just because haruna can carry nagato guns doesnt make it a nagato variant, its design comes from the kongo not nagato
@erwinja yeah b65 isnt great but atleast the grind towards fuso is lessened with it i think
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Re : Haruna or B65???
01. 12. 2014 20:31
Melonade1
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Originally Posted by lexica
Haruna is basically a Nagato with less DP. (same gun, same accuracy, same supports, same speed). So like Nagato it is playable right off the bat (meaning you can load a 70- or 80-ish crew on it and enjoy the fun). Ok you might be missing some SD points and OH time but not a critical matter.
B65 like all other PBB needs a good crew to run well. Gun has better accuracy (they have similar range) than Nagato but that's only with a 100-ish gunner, can run 45 knots compared to Nagato/Haruna's 42 (40 with a heavy crew), but only with 100-ish engineers (while for Nagato and Haruna their speedcap is reachable with next to no engineers). B65 has 12 T slots for AA (the others only have a pitiful 4), but you want to delay classing IJN AA gunner as far as possible. B65 do have (way) better turning force but it also has a bigger hull making you catch enemy shells more easily. And B65's 45-degree elevation is harder to master than Haruna's 43-degree one. To me, B65 with a average lv70 crew is, like the Dunk, unplayable.
I wouldn't judge the two in absolute terms, but I hope that enough for you to decide
I believe you are confusing the Haruna with the Hyuga. Haruna = Kongo (Mikasa or Fuso Guns) Mutsu = Nagato (Nagato Guns) Hyuga = Ise (Nagato Guns) Haruna is more fun to play, and smaller. If you run it with the Mikasa 12" guns you will hit 45 knts easily even at lower levels. The damage on these guns isn't great, but the reload is fantastic. Gun angles for the Mikasa guns are 30 degrees. So enjoy the ease of low angle gun lines while they last. As far as range comparison, Haruna and b65 are basically equivalent. IIRC you can fit the bb2 14" or bb3 16" Ds on either, but I'm guessing if you could use these you'd already have access to an Ise / Fuso (Fuso is superior). The b65 is a great way to learn how to play the yamato, but unlike the Haruna it is large and noticeable, Easily Bombed (though AA platform is great) and its one a one mistake kind of ship especially at level. I'd run with both and switch between them.
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Re : Haruna or B65???
01. 12. 2014 21:06
ErwinJA
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Originally Posted by Melonade1
Originally Posted by lexica
Haruna is basically a Nagato with less DP. (same gun, same accuracy, same supports, same speed). So like Nagato it is playable right off the bat (meaning you can load a 70- or 80-ish crew on it and enjoy the fun). Ok you might be missing some SD points and OH time but not a critical matter.
I believe you are confusing the Haruna with the Hyuga. Haruna = Kongo (Mikasa or Fuso Guns) Mutsu = Nagato (Nagato Guns) Hyuga = Ise (Nagato Guns)
Correction:
Haruna: Kongo hull. Mikasa, Fuso, OR Nagato guns. Nagato FCS.
It can fit 16.1" Ls with 2 binds, so it is equal to the Nagato in spread and firepower, which is what he means when he say's it's basically a Nagato. Still, it does have lower structural strength and DP, and less ammo to boot, so it's not a straight up clone. Nor should it be.
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Re : Haruna or B65???
01. 14. 2014 16:25
lexica
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Originally Posted by power_surge
Originally Posted by lexica
Haruna is basically a Nagato with less DP. (same gun, same accuracy, same supports, same speed). So like Nagato it is playable right off the bat (meaning you can load a 70- or 80-ish crew on it and enjoy the fun). Ok you might be missing some SD points and OH time but not a critical matter.
B65 like all other PBB needs a good crew to run well. Gun has better accuracy (they have similar range) than Nagato but that's only with a 100-ish gunner, can run 45 knots compared to Nagato/Haruna's 42 (40 with a heavy crew), but only with 100-ish engineers (while for Nagato and Haruna their speedcap is reachable with next to no engineers). B65 has 12 T slots for AA (the others only have a pitiful 4), but you want to delay classing IJN AA gunner as far as possible. B65 do have (way) better turning force but it also has a bigger hull making you catch enemy shells more easily. And B65's 45-degree elevation is harder to master than Haruna's 43-degree one. To me, B65 with a average lv70 crew is, like the Dunk, unplayable.
I wouldn't judge the two in absolute terms, but I hope that enough for you to decide
actually you are wrong haruna is based of the kongo, mutsu is the nagato variant.
and go with b65 more support and a good lvling ship untill you get fuso
You were right in pointing that out except that's not what I meant. The point has been that the Haruna is similar to Nagato in terms of in-game performance which was the original question. I wouldn't compare Haruna to Kongo because the only thing I'd say is that Haruna is better than Kongo in almost every way (which everyone knows already), whereas if you compare Haruna against Nagato, you'll see that they really aren't that different. Similarly Mutsu is a Nagato with more supports and better accuracy (i.e. better than the Nagato) but that wasn't in the original question. If you wish to talk about real life history, yes we can talk about real life history and feel free to challenge me on that. But back on topic, really, if you don't mind grinding a few more levels, you would want to save your coupon/medals for the Hyuga.
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