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  • California: Review

    01. 13. 2014 08:56


fromage

This will be a brief review of what I've learned about the California, in case you're thinking of getting it at some point down the road.

 

The California uses L115 BH-427 modified 18" dual guns that resemble the L110 Mark 1 18" duals found on the regular Montana.  While this is not the only gun choice you have, it is what I recommend.  Your other gun choice is the L101 Mark 7 W23 16" triples, found on the EBB Missouri.  Both sets of guns will allow up to five binds of ammo.

 

Here are some of the distinctions between both of the gun sets:

 

- Both gun sets will allow the ship to cap at 24/40 knots.

 

- The BH-427 duals have a tighter spread than their Mark 1 counterparts, which remains in tact even while rushing or withdrawing.  In fact, the spread is noticeably good.

 

- The W23 triples have a worse spread than their Mark 7 Mod 1 counterparts (regular Montana guns).  It is somewhat more difficult to land a full salvo with the W23 triples, though far from impossible.

 

- The BH-427 duals have a full salvo average that falls between 50k-52k damage, while the Mark 1 duals is somewhere between 46k-48k.  The BH-427 duals have an AP salvo that I tested between 34k-41k, though the number of trials was fairly limited.  The BH-427 duals were able to penetrate an AW L2 with HE shells at their max angle of 40 degrees, for salvos that ranged from 40k-50k.

 

- The BH-427 duals have range that is just shy of L2 range.  You can probably hit any L2 that can hit you just by the nature of ship width alone.

 

Some other considerations:

 

- The California can hold up to five T5 scouts, six T4 scouts, six T3 scouts, seven T2 scouts, or nine T1 scouts.

 

- It can hold a considerably higher amount of bulge while maintaining 40 knots compared to the Montana.

 

- With a light/reduced crew and/or reduced ammo, it is possible to play with three W23 triple turrets and achieve 44 knots max speed with a salvo output of ~50k.  Under similar conditions the Montana can only achieve 42 knots.  I found this setup to be fairly effective in regular GB.

 

- There are six T-slots, which is utterly disappointing but already discussed in the release notes.

 

OVERALL REVIEW:


While not as spectacular as the dramatic release would have suggested, I can say that the California is fun.  But there is a certain disappointment in retaining mediocre range with a ~12k-20k loss in salvo capability.  The key benefits of this ship are the greatly improved spread, extra support slot, and the ability to hold the amount of bulge the Montana should've always been able to carry.  Given the trade-offs and add-ons, I would personally like to see this level 113 ship have another very small increase in damage (2k-3k) or another few hairs of range so that it's truly a step up from the Montana.

 

Compared to my expectations for the tier and in terms of how much I enjoyed the ship: 8/10.

 

  • Re : California: Review

    01. 13. 2014 11:23


Hullsmasher

the dual guns already have a range increase over standard bb5. as it was stated these ships are not supposd to be 6's. also, i find these ebbs do give u setup options mosts ships dont offer. it would seem these ships are designed to get u that last 1or 2 support levelled or quicken the pace at which u can reach bb6.  So  a little extra range, extra speed and extra support as well as increased armor space for a small reduction in damage and bind space.  Seems to be just what it is inteneded to be. dont have to nerf, adjust every ship cuz of poeple's likes and dislikes.  some will say op, some will say underpowered just like every other ship(see rm bb6, mn bb6, sn bb6, km bb6, km bb5,  etc, etc...). while i do appreciate the review wanting a damage adjustment is ridiculous waste of time. 

  • Re : California: Review

    01. 13. 2014 11:41


fromage

A small reduction of damage and bind space?  First of all, 12k-20k is anything but small.  For a ship that's derived from the Montana, it does not exemplify the Montana's trademark characteristics.  Secondly the bind space stayed the same.  Do you have this ship?

  • Re : California: Review

    01. 13. 2014 11:50


Arcaniz

Very nice review fromage!

Sadly I haven't been able to get any of these new EBB's just yet..

Maybe in the future.. 

  • Re : California: Review

    01. 13. 2014 11:56


Hullsmasher

no i do not have the ship, i was reading your review of it. i apalogize if i erred in bind space, but helps make my point more. You get extra speed, bulge, range and support for a damage reduction on the heaviest hitting bb5.  It may not be for you, i get it. Others might enjoy the different style it offers.  you even say u can use mizz guns which have same damage although slightly worse spread(not impossible for full salvo) while going as high as 44 knots.  l2 is mediocre bb5 range?  do i need to own a the ship to read ?  Not everything needs to be tweaked to personal preferences

 

  • Re : California: Review

    01. 13. 2014 12:06


Hullsmasher

would say the spread is pretty much the same as the Monty, maybe just a hair worse.  But that's hard to tell considering your gunners are generally at a lower level when using this ship than when using the Montana..... who wrote that? oh, you. Now they are awful spread and worthless i guess.  so, if want monty damage you can have with extra speed, bulge, and support. hmmm...

  • Re : California: Review

    01. 13. 2014 12:14


Arcaniz

Originally Posted by Hullsmasher

no i do not have the ship, i was reading your review of it. i apalogize if i erred in bind space, but helps make my point more. You get extra speed, bulge, range and support for a damage reduction on the heaviest hitting bb5.  It may not be for you, i get it. Others might enjoy the different style it offers.  you even say u can use mizz guns which have same damage although slightly worse spread(not impossible for full salvo) while going as high as 44 knots.  l2 is mediocre bb5 range?  do i need to own a the ship to read ?  Not everything needs to be tweaked to personal preferences

 




Alsace hits the hardest. (with extreme gunners xD)

Btw, you shouldnt take it so personal. It makes this thread look ugly IMO. 

  • Re : California: Review

    01. 13. 2014 12:18


Hullsmasher

not trying to make it personal. i said appreciate the review. i only take issue with the suggestion of a damage increase tweak, and that is all i have been arguing. 

  • Re : California: Review

    01. 13. 2014 12:22


nyerkovic

Good review, thanks!

Just a clarification from this quote:

Originally Posted by fromage

For a ship that's derived from the Montana, it does not exemplify the Montana's trademark characteristics. 



This ship is not derived from the Montana, which is why we used the lvl110 duals. The Montana (just like the L2 in UK case) moves slightly away from nation traits. This ship brings the nation back in line.

The aim wasn't to make a better montana, it was to align the end ship to nation traits. Similar thing was done to the UK ship. 

  • Re : California: Review

    01. 13. 2014 21:04


Mpapadoras

Originally Posted by nyerkovic

Good review, thanks!

Just a clarification from this quote:

Originally Posted by fromage

For a ship that's derived from the Montana, it does not exemplify the Montana's trademark characteristics. 



This ship is not derived from the Montana, which is why we used the lvl110 duals. The Montana (just like the L2 in UK case) moves slightly away from nation traits. This ship brings the nation back in line.

The aim wasn't to make a better montana, it was to align the end ship to nation traits. Similar thing was done to the UK ship. 



In all actuality the discussion was to nerf the California's DMG output. The Calif can easily support the nebby guns with its much larger slots, but the trip 18s not available. Not a month ago the max disp was 30k higher than at release. As i stated over and over before release that the gun space was too large and the disp too low for it to be what it was meant to be. You can say it was to bring the nation "back in line" but it was done so there wouldnt be another USN 1 shotter. The gun range was nerfed severely back to bb5ish range (less than the monty). The DMG output was reduced also, so how is this an upgrade? The California i was expecting was going to be the beast USN needed after seeing the lack-luster Nebraska. But instead, a very small group of self-absorbed non-usn using players were aloud to nerf the Calif to what it is now, another mediocre USN ship. Check out the stats for gun size and displacement vs UK/RM and tell me you sont see favoritism that has plagued NF for 8 years. Thanks for the 3-legged dog, we love him just the same, but if you have any future BBs planned for USN, plz keep the biased members of the test team away from it.

  • Re : California: Review

    01. 14. 2014 00:11


joris92

Excellent review, fromage. I wish there were more reviews like this on the NF forums. 
I am doubting between SN and the RM one, but now I read this one I also want to get this ship... You make it even harder for me to pick one now =/

I can also pick the Viva Le Fromage ship anyway... Would be best for both of us hahah

Greetz Joor

Thanks for the review ! (: 

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