Sigh, what do you people have against a weapon that's entirely your fault for getting hit? If you let a DC ship get that close to you, it's you being stupid.

To add to the insult you were in the test server discussion thread and you ignored my post.

As for your suggestion: What the hell am I supposed to do after I force the thing to surface? Have a stare contest with him?

Don't even talk to me about "have the BBs shoot at them".

First, this is not somthing you say right after robbing my FF-Y of the ability to kill the thing on my own.

Second, by "implementing this without having to redo the ships", you mean that their ridiculous resistance to high caliber shells remains unchanged. A 900SD SS5 is nigh-unkillable unless you have some high level BBs scoring an almost-perfect hit on that ridiculously small hitbox.

The logic behind all dedicated depth charge ships is the same: Out-maneuver the sub, drive on top of it and kill it with extreme prejudice. No guns required.

The FF-Y is simply my DC ship of choice due to its extreme speed and small hitbox, which makes the out-maneuvering part much easier. And guns? I don't see how hitting a SS5 with four 5" peashooters are going to accomplish anything, other than making my ship much slower for mounting them in the first place. Once again, don't tell me "why don't you use your guns" right after suggesting to remove my ability to kill without them.

And you don't see many people using DCs because it requires a dedicated setup that ends with completely worthless sailors (except the sonarman if one is used) if it is to be used effectively. Why should I bother using it at all, if all it does is to make a sub available for someone else to shoot at?

Removing HHs in favor of buffed DCs? LOL. DCs are treated as torpedoes and as such are completely worthless on CAs and up unlike HH. Not to mention since DCs are, by design, completely outranged by subs and thus deadweight on ships that can't effectively out-maneuver them in a close-quarter dogfight (eg. BBs and CVs, which are the most common users of HH at the moment). By the way, do I even need to mention how leaving only a premium option for effective general-use ASW is a bad idea?

Funny how you keep talking about "it's not all about you" and doesn't even attempt to address the problems I raised.

So if you're unwilling to read everything I say, here's a tl;dr version:

DCs are useless to ships not cripplingly specialized to use them, with or without your proposed changes. Everything that your suggestion is going to accomplish is making them even more useless, to the point that even cripplingly specialized ships are ineffective with them.

So, what you are doing is basically keep emphasizing that I'm a frigate player and as such my opinion bears no weight. That's called the Ad Hominem fallacy, or personal attack. You're attacking me as a person, instead of my points. I see no point explaining my views further, because the problem does not lie on my argument but with your sheer ignorance.

Oh, and I'm a frigate player right? Here's my Iowa class frigate, please help me make my depth charges more useful.

... No thank you, I have a second pair of gunners to run HH if I want to fend off subs on it, which are much more effective than DC, again with or without your suggestion to "improve" (read: nerf) them. Oh wait, did you suggest to remove normal HH?

Sure you did, it looks like you're trying to buff subs by messing up ASW through screwing up a perfectly good ASW weapon that is effective on the right hands but useless to most players, by making it equally useless to everyone, and removing an actually useful ASW option available to F2P players.

And as such you still didn't address my concerns to your suggestion:

1. Depth charges still useless with proposed changes to normal players due to range limit, ammo problems (as it counts as torpedoes and thus CA+ can only cary one bind) and heavy reliance on the launch platform's maneuverability for effectiveness.

2. Depth charge effectiveness reduced to ship setups that solely relies on DCs to kill subs.

3. Net LOSS in overall ASW lethality based on question 1 and 2, despite your claim that the aim of this suggestion is to improve surface ships' ability to deal with submarines.

The cause of the discussion not going anywhere is that you kept dodging the questions and as such I kept having to repeat myself over and over again. This is the third time.