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  • Skill Estimate

    12. 18. 2014 04:25


Sumi808

Hi,

I just wanted to be able to get a rough estimate of player "skill" :

For a "skilled" player are these the kind of averages they should be doing in their BB with an at level crew with gunners 10 level above gun set they are using:

BB1 Average Attack in Games: 50,000
BB2 Average Attack in Games: 70,000
BB3 Average Attack in Games: 100,000
BB4 Average Attack in Games: 150,000
BB5 Average Attack in Games: 200,000
BB6 Average Attack in Games: 200,000 +

Would this be a correct average to be seeking to maintain for each BB level? 

 

  • Re : SKill Estimate

    12. 18. 2014 04:52


flaggelant

there's a lot of variables for your attack score in a game, i'd say your list is about nice/good battles, rather than average. Because usually either yours or the other team isn't able to "play a normal game" 

for an at lvl lower tier BB1-2 to get high attack scores i would try to add some asw, this also helps winning. (doesnt add much xp since asw is usually shared xp, but the bigger chance at a win will get you xp )

if you count the amount of bb4-5-6 in a battle and add up the att scores you listed, every battle would get well over 1M att easily (events do bring out more higher tier ships), where a lot end around 600K atm. (and that excludes bombing cv's, subs and asw)

so on average it's a lot lower than that, but you should allways be trying to play above average 

 

  • Re : Skill Estimate

    12. 18. 2014 08:11


MrClueLess

This is not close to an overall average.

These would be good numbers for an above average player in a winning or at least highly contested game.

BB6 in GB2 should be doing considerably more than 200k in a win to be honest.


 

  • Re : Skill Estimate

    12. 18. 2014 08:22


Lordfail

Ur talking about on average.  As an average, I'd adjust the bb1 amount a bit downward toward 30k. Getting a good game in a bb1 is certainly doable, but on average you won't reach the 50k.

I would up the bb6 attack, as that really is easy mode most of the time. The rest is ok as average I'd say. The ships have potential to get higher attack, but you will always end up with a few dreadful teams or fail enemy teams in which you won't reach the attack.

 

  • Re : Skill Estimate

    12. 18. 2014 15:21


Kilaenots

Look at the scores after battles you will normally see only 2 or 3 players breaking 100k so your numbers are far too high. My view of average is to do at least the same attack as damage tsken. I'm happy if i break 100k in anything but a bb6.
The other way to look  at it is the team score is 700k ish with 10 bb thats 70k each. Lower tier ships will be bellow this higher tier above.
A while ago a mod took the scores of ships in battle and found an average over a pretty good sample. It is posted here if you can find it. 

  • Re : Skill Estimate

    12. 18. 2014 18:51


Kogard

Originally Posted by Kilaenots

Look at the scores after battles you will normally see only 2 or 3 players breaking 100k so your numbers are far too high. My view of average is to do at least the same attack as damage tsken. I'm happy if i break 100k in anything but a bb6.
The other way to look  at it is the team score is 700k ish with 10 bb thats 70k each. Lower tier ships will be bellow this higher tier above.
A while ago a mod took the scores of ships in battle and found an average over a pretty good sample. It is posted here if you can find it. 

+1...

Look at the page after each battles. The best atk will do 150-200k for a win on GB. Atk above 200k are rare. 250k+ reachable if ur room filled with plenty BB5-6, this mainly in WaW. BB1/BB2 can do 50k atk, sure, if the crews are high level.

For skill estimate BO stat is the closest thing we have now. Its called Avg Displacement of Sunken Ship. It's not valid, but then again some ships is easy to sunk another ships (doing dmg), some ships are harder.

 

  • Re : Skill Estimate

    12. 18. 2014 23:57


Arcaniz

Originally Posted by Kogard

Originally Posted by Kilaenots

Look at the scores after battles you will normally see only 2 or 3 players breaking 100k so your numbers are far too high. My view of average is to do at least the same attack as damage tsken. I'm happy if i break 100k in anything but a bb6.
The other way to look  at it is the team score is 700k ish with 10 bb thats 70k each. Lower tier ships will be bellow this higher tier above.
A while ago a mod took the scores of ships in battle and found an average over a pretty good sample. It is posted here if you can find it. 

+1...

Look at the page after each battles. The best atk will do 150-200k for a win on GB. Atk above 200k are rare. 250k+ reachable if ur room filled with plenty BB5-6, this mainly in WaW. BB1/BB2 can do 50k atk, sure, if the crews are high level.

For skill estimate BO stat is the closest thing we have now. Its called Avg Displacement of Sunken Ship. It's not valid, but then again some ships is easy to sunk another ships (doing dmg), some ships are harder.

 


Regarding the amount of kills stolen, this is hardly a good measure I would say.
I wonder which bb3 you are referring to as being avarageble to 100k dmg.
Certainly not all of them. Average with a ship over how many battles?  I guess it all matters.

Also, skill is not entirely damage dependent as I believe Flaggelant also stated.

Scouting skills is what matters most.

I recently restarted using the Prince of Wales with Quad-dual setup. It obviously rocks. But its sometimes hard to get good hits. Especially with lag. So even though its salvo damage rocks most other bb3's the avarage potential is much lower then for most other ships IMO. Better spread means you miss more when your aim is not fully accurate. For the higher tier ships your table seems pretty solid to me. 

  • Re : Skill Estimate

    12. 19. 2014 01:28


ooh_kill_em

Depends on what nation and what ships.  I can get 200k-400k attack in an L2, but in a Super Yamato, I would be lucky to break 200k as I am not as skilled in IJN as UK.  And BB1s with the amount of big ships there are today, especially with at-level crew, chances are they have no chance to get 50k attack.

  • Re : Skill Estimate

    12. 19. 2014 08:54


Kogard

Originally Posted by Arcaniz

Regarding the amount of kills stolen, this is hardly a good measure I would say.
I wonder which bb3 you are referring to as being avarageble to 100k dmg.
Certainly not all of them. Average with a ship over how many battles?  I guess it all matters.

Also, skill is not entirely damage dependent as I believe Flaggelant also stated.

Scouting skills is what matters most.

I recently restarted using the Prince of Wales with Quad-dual setup. It obviously rocks. But its sometimes hard to get good hits. Especially with lag. So even though its salvo damage rocks most other bb3's the avarage potential is much lower then for most other ships IMO. Better spread means you miss more when your aim is not fully accurate. For the higher tier ships your table seems pretty solid to me. 

Sadly with the game mechanic, scouting doesn't directly reward you (exp/credits/point). 

We often yell the importance of team work, while the game doesn't reward player who plays supporting role. That's why FW CV become less now a days.

As I stated before, Avg Dispclmt Sunken is not valid measurement, but its the only thing we have now. And average atk dmg as a measure of skills like TS suggested is also not valid. Skill covers alot of different area. A player can score high atk/surviving 10 minutes doesn't always mean he's good, it's hard to do without support from others.

NF just not made for team work bcoz NF game mechanics doesn't reward supporting role players the same as high atk score; like Scouting (none), AA (some vet convert), FW (Compared to BW).

So estimating players skill simply can't be done with the current game code.

  • Re : Skill Estimate

    12. 19. 2014 13:57


bamaman

The vast majority of BB4 and up are lucky to break 50k.

There are very few "skilled" players left today.

The skilled players are usually in a BB4 and below wearing out the skilless tards in their smoke popping BB6's.


  • Re : Skill Estimate

    12. 26. 2014 05:02


Sumi808

Thank you all :)

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