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  • Kaiser history

    10. 01. 2015 19:41 PST


Stealth001

Didnt find better place to post this than the origins of the ships flag itself.

Since the release of a new naval warfare game ive been playing lately and the introduction of the Kriegsmarine/German Navy in it, i have been looking up to see if i can get info with no luck at all...

Where is or where can i find the story behind the legendary BB6 Kaiser variant presented in NavyField? Is it based under a true historical blueprint/naval project from the 20th century (or when) or its only an invention for this game? 

Looking forward for some good info. 

Regards! 

 

  • Re : Kaiser history

    10. 01. 2015 19:44 PST


rocketeer1

Pure fiction.

  • Re : Kaiser history

    10. 01. 2015 22:42 PST


ErwinJA

All BB6's are entirely fictional. They're more or less a random name that sounds right for that nation, with made-up guns and stats. A few names correlate with real warships (ie: US EBB6 New Jersey), but those ships have nothing to do with the ones in NF. Among all SD class ships, only the Midway (US/UK CV6) is based on a real ship.

  • Re : Kaiser history

    10. 03. 2015 05:59 PST


Stealth001

Well, kinda disapointing.

Thanks anyways :)  

  • Re : Kaiser history

    10. 03. 2015 10:43 PST


Faronth

Not so fast ....


While I have no idea if the NF developers based their Kaiser BB6 design on anything other then their own whim there is some historical basis for this ship design.  


nazi Germany developed their navel development project named "Z Plan" in 1938 for developing a fleet to dominate the seas.  

As WWII started and progressed this plan was modified many times.  Various iterations of the Z plan did include paper plans for both an "H" and "J" battleship variants armed with 16" guns with displacements of 83,000 tons and up.  These two ships designs progressed to the point that they were actually laid down in 1940 and also subsequently canceled the same year as war priorities forced changes in materials allocations.   So the "H" and "J" ships at least qualify as a "real" ship in one sense.  


Back to the specific question on the BB6.  There were plans drawn up between 1942 and 1944 that did in fact, on paper, reference a ship weighing in at 122,000 tonnes mounting an eight 20" gun main armament.  These ships were to be powered by 12 diesel motors powering three propeller shafts.  These plans never made it to actual production.  In the words of one British navel architect who reviewed the captured plans post war the nazi ship design staff seemed "intent on avoiding service on the eastern front by showing their bosses how busy they were."  So the "Kaiser" BB6 does get the rating of "paper ship" as does the Montana.


So there you have it.   There is in fact some historical basis for three of the post Bismark nazi ship designs included in Navyfield.

Sorry about the text color.   

  • Re : Kaiser history

    10. 04. 2015 16:03 PST


Stealth001

I have read something about it, the H39 and H44 were actual projects in paper but never made it into production. These ships were bigger Bismark-like vessels carrying 8 guns, 4 dual turrets. 

Having mentioned the "Z Plan".... that would have been an effective way to dominate the seas but the resourses were already low by the time the project was presented. 

Nothing yet found upon something that looks alike the BB6 Kaiser in the game, would have been interesting to see that in real life tho.

Long time no see Faronth. Im considering in taking a look into the game again so i guess ill see you there :)

 

  • Re : Kaiser history

    10. 04. 2015 21:42 PST


ErwinJA

Originally Posted by Stealth001

I have read something about it, the H39 and H44 were actual projects in paper but never made it into production. These ships were bigger Bismark-like vessels carrying 8 guns, 4 dual turrets. 

Having mentioned the "Z Plan".... that would have been an effective way to dominate the seas but the resourses were already low by the time the project was presented. 

Nothing yet found upon something that looks alike the BB6 Kaiser in the game, would have been interesting to see that in real life tho.

Long time no see Faronth. Im considering in taking a look into the game again so i guess ill see you there :)

 


He's just confused. He's referring to the H44 proposal, which is already another ship in-game. Kaiser is in no way based on that. Digging it up, the names, and only the names (like I said) of the Kaiser and Koenig Albert, are derived from a class of pre-WWI German Dreadnought battleships. However, they only had 5 twin 12" turrets, with 3 centerline and 2 side-mounted (8-gun maximum broadside). If reproduced in NF, it should look closer to the UK EBB1 Dreadnought.

Germans preferred twin guns, so the Kaiser's triple turrets are distinctly un-German. Among all post-Dreadnought designs I know of, paper and built, only the Scharnhorst class had such weapons. To my knowledge, the P-Project II and O-Project II did not exist in real life. Neither the O or P had alternative proposed designs, nor successors. And while the P-Project did have triple 11", it was intended as an improved successor to the Deutschland class, and is generally classified as a heavy cruiser.

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