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  • How should I balance between expert farming and playing BB?

    08. 05. 2017 11:43


lymark

 As far as I'm aware, most people pay their way for experts/vets(Esp. for gunners) in order to to stay on par against others(They were surprised that I didn' have any vets at all). So, I've took someone's advice and B/V/E(100vet) my 12/10 gunners when they were at low level. Now that I'm at lvl55 and is about to get out of blitz, I've noticed some problems.
 
 Since the amount of sailors increases as they level up and experts gain is quite low, I don't see myself being able to 'catch up' the needed experts for the levels. I've been playing like a no life for two days, half of my time were PURELY AAing in the emerald and all I've farmed were ~70 experts. 

 If I continue AA farming until I have sufficient V/E for everyone, I can see myself reaching lvl120 until I could finally start playing my first UK BB(hell that would probably be enough to go straight for QV as my 1st BB lol), which doesn't sound right at all. 

I don't mind spending ~$20 for a F2P game once in while, but there's no way I'm gonna pay like $100 for 10000+ experts just so I could V/E a full crew.
 
I must be missing something right? Will it get better once I'm higher lvl? How could a 'F2P' user able to somewhat stay on par with others in terms of number of experts/vets? Or is that something not a F2P user could do until lvl120, meaning I'll have to be the underdog til all the way up there?

 

  • Re : How should I balance between expert farming and playing BB?

    08. 05. 2017 20:20


dasheng5

What is F2P?

Do not worry about Expert and Veteran, first improve the level to drive BB5 (if you are a BB player), so you can get more attacks to get more exp. Even if you don't have a lot of Expert , you can still get more damage with a BB like Nelson/ Lion1 /Lion2-more experience than a QE with more Expert and Veteran.

  • Re : How should I balance between expert farming and playing BB?

    08. 06. 2017 04:42


lymark

Originally Posted by dasheng5

What is F2P?

Do not worry about Expert and Veteran, first improve the level to drive BB5 (if you are a BB player), so you can get more attacks to get more exp. Even if you don't have a lot of Expert , you can still get more damage with a BB like Nelson/ Lion1 /Lion2-more experience than a QE with more Expert and Veteran.



 Alright then, I'll just keep moving forward with my BB line. I was worried that the lack of experts would make playing BB a nightware. 

 F2P= Free to play. I was just saying that everyone seems to pay their way for experts, and here I'm like the only one that wouldn't be paying for it(well.. besides the gunners), thus 'free to play'. 

  • Re : How should I balance between expert farming and playing BB?

    08. 07. 2017 07:46


dasheng5

Originally Posted by lymark

Originally Posted by dasheng5

What is F2P?

Do not worry about Expert and Veteran, first improve the level to drive BB5 (if you are a BB player), so you can get more attacks to get more exp. Even if you don't have a lot of Expert , you can still get more damage with a BB like Nelson/ Lion1 /Lion2-more experience than a QE with more Expert and Veteran.



 Alright then, I'll just keep moving forward with my BB line. I was worried that the lack of experts would make playing BB a nightware. 

 F2P= Free to play. I was just saying that everyone seems to pay their way for experts, and here I'm like the only one that wouldn't be paying for it(well.. besides the gunners), thus 'free to play'. 



It's going to be painful, but when you drive BB4(maybe it's OK to drive Nelson, depending on your technology), you have combat capability, and you must have long enough gun-line& gunners  have some Veteran.

So I suggest you buy some Veteran for your gunners and captains.

  • Re : How should I balance between expert farming and playing BB?

    08. 07. 2017 23:08


lymark

Originally Posted by dasheng5

 

 

It's going to be painful, but when you drive BB4(maybe it's OK to drive Nelson, depending on your technology), you have combat capability, and you must have long enough gun-line& gunners  have some Veteran.

So I suggest you buy some Veteran for your gunners and captains.



I've already done that to the gunners, but guess I'd do it too the captain too. I could already feel the struggle for not being able to see where my shells land in the york.

 That said, it's actually the engineers and repairs that I'm worried about. There's no way I could keep up with the proper amount of experts/vets without paying. But as long as I've the 'combat capability', i think I'll just overlook it for now. 

  • Re : How should I balance between expert farming and playing BB?

    08. 08. 2017 16:15


flaggelant

I'd just go for play as much as possible in BB.
something a lot of people do is start 2 bo's, since you need to level up extra supports and most nations have 2 bb lines at some point.

leveling a 2nd bo will give you an insight in the lines you can play and which playstyle you prefer (nelson vs vanguard i believe).
it will also make sure your gunners (& supports)are several lvls ahead of your bo's, which will increase the accuracy & rep+eng.

basically what is wrong is people gain to much xp to easily, back in the day it would take me a year to get to a bb6, the smaller the server population got the more xp events we get to keep attracting players. but with extra xp boosts you dont gain extra experts. so there's an inbalance in the game nowadays that creates your problem.
(i believe i usually had about 70 vets and 100-150 experts by the time i got out of blitz, without spending any money, but with spending a lot of extra games to get there)
so you could say that you are actually experiencing a luxury problem ^^


Make sure you only convert experts to vets during events, no point in wasting them with bad %


The rangemarkers on BO's used to reach the shellspots by mid BB3 if i recall correctly, but with the above situation i'm not sure if that still goes. so it's normal to not spot them early on, i wouldnt do to much about it, because later on you will have to downsize the lines to fit your ships. (so dont waste money on bo's unless you get to 90-100 and still dont have the right lines)

  • Re : How should I balance between expert farming and playing BB?

    08. 09. 2017 03:37


Whatzzup

The more red sailors you have the better odds you have to gain experts in battle.
With this in mind I always convert my experts when my sailors are below 50 vets even if there isnt a event goin on.  At those low numbers of vets, convertion rate is kinda OKish.

When you sailors have 99 vets you can still ad a 10 vets pack to it to get it to 109 vets. 

Most imported is to get your SD up to 900 asap I think while not using a restorder offcourse.

As flaggelant said, 2 BO lines at once improves enjoyment alot while grinding UK.

  • Re : How should I balance between expert farming and playing BB?

    08. 09. 2017 18:17


Sidumbledore

 

All the suggestions above are good except that you should not convert expert to vet (roll for vet) without the +vet conversion event.  With the current +500% vet conversion event, the first 40 expert to vet (from 0 vet to 40 vet) are almost automatic (close to 100% success rate even without premium account).  Then, the success rate decreases to around 1 to 5 ratio (20% success rate without premium) between 40 and 80 vet.  If you do the math, it is cheaper to purchase experts and convert them to vet during this +500% event for below 80 vet.  The chance continues to decrease at above 80 vet.  This is the time to use vet item (between 80 vet to 109 vet).  At high sailor levels (high total number of sailors) and high number of vet (e.g., 200+ vet), it becomes more difficult even with the event (e.g., rolling 400 experts for 10 vet).  You can do the math to see the difference between with and without the +500% event.  Make sure that NF GM has turned the +500% feature on before rolling.  I lost some experts (unexpected failing rate) this and last events because the GM forgot to turn on the event on Sat.  Also, it is probability (by chance), so you can get more or less vet than the success rates I mentioned above, so beware. 

  • Re : How should I balance between expert farming and playing BB?

    08. 09. 2017 21:06


austinpage

Originally Posted by Sidumbledore

 

All the suggestions above are good except that you should not convert expert to vet (roll for vet) without the +vet conversion event.  With the current +500% vet conversion event, the first 40 expert to vet (from 0 vet to 40 vet) are almost automatic (close to 100% success rate even without premium account).  Then, the success rate decreases to around 1 to 5 ratio (20% success rate without premium) between 40 and 80 vet.  If you do the math, it is cheaper to purchase experts and convert them to vet during this +500% event for below 80 vet.  The chance continues to decrease at above 80 vet.  This is the time to use vet item (between 80 vet to 109 vet).  At high sailor levels (high total number of sailors) and high number of vet (e.g., 200+ vet), it becomes more difficult even with the event (e.g., rolling 400 experts for 10 vet).  You can do the math to see the difference between with and without the +500% event.  Make sure that NF GM has turned the +500% feature on before rolling.  I lost some experts (unexpected failing rate) this and last events because the GM forgot to turn on the event on Sat.  Also, it is probability (by chance), so you can get more or less vet than the success rates I mentioned above, so beware. 


Yes! listen to this.

  • Re : How should I balance between expert farming and playing BB?

    08. 10. 2017 00:04


lymark

Originally Posted by flaggelant


basically what is wrong is people gain to much xp to easily, back in the day it would take me a year to get to a bb6, the smaller the server population got the more xp events we get to keep attracting players. but with extra xp boosts you dont gain extra experts. so there's an inbalance in the game nowadays that creates your problem.
(i believe i usually had about 70 vets and 100-150 experts by the time i got out of blitz, without spending any money, but with spending a lot of extra games to get there)
so you could say that you are actually experiencing a luxury problem ^^

Ahh now that you mentioned it, I'm seeing a balancing issue too. Like they disabled trading without adjusting the economic(ship cost etc) accordingly. It's very contradicting that they wanted to attract new players with XP boost/ item drop events, but at the same time wanted to make us leave with the economic stuff lol.


And thank you for the advice guys, I've already made a 2nd BO for crew training, and converted 60 vets to most sailors during the 500%. Since I could only farm ~20 experts max per day, I don't think I'd able to take full advantage of the last 500% this weekend without paying real money. So, hopefully I'd be filled up with experts when the next event happens again. 

(btw, you guys make it sound like farming experts is a walk in the park, while here I'm 
farming my butt off desperately lol)



  • Re : How should I balance between expert farming and playing BB?

    08. 10. 2017 04:52


flaggelant

Originally Posted by lymark

 


(btw, you guys make it sound like farming experts is a walk in the park, while here I'm 
farming my butt off desperately lol)





the grind IS the game, you should be able to find joy in what you're doing right now allready
(ok, the grind and HA's...)

thats why i usually dont bother with AA expert farming, its not fun to me (if playing support to lvl up i usually go ASW because it has a bigger impact on the game result, so more xp but less experts) 

playing with a bb2-3 with average crews in GB will teach you a thing or 2 as well (mostly the range of higher tier BB's and when to time your attacks)

so if you dont like AA-ing, find a different task to play for/within your team

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