Exactly, before the fix it could survive like a bb7/8.
The purpouse was to nerf so it has low survivability.

Yet, it still have mega suvivability due to the small hitbox, but then we were kind enough to not fix it.
Else, if there's one ship that has the right to complain about survival, it's the bismarck with huge hitbox and crap submergence.

But yet, we saw how bismarck is overpowered.

That being said, the SN bb1345 aren't completely fixed yet.

BB1 for having 4 gun
BB3 that need range fix on a certain ship
BB4 for being taking KM/IJN/USN title
BB5 for being the shortest range BB5

My point wasnt its survivability before the patch, I didnt even use the stalingrad then.

I'm talking about now, like maybe it was nerfed too much? It has low survivability and low maneuverability, poor everything but range really, the damage seems good too, especially if the spread happens to be good.

And what do you mean taking KM/IJN/USN title? You think the bb4 needs nerfed more?

The stalingrad seems to quite a small hitbox, so you shouldn't really get hit that much. It performs similarly to the Yammy, except with a worse spread, more range, smaller hitbox and lower turning.

Sry, confusing with all the Imperatristsa nerf.

Regarding Stalingrad, it's still OP as hell.
You have to realized that it has right now the longeest bb4 range with 50k damage, with the 11" deck piercing.
Nothing counter it, else than the ship itself.

It still have the crazy hitbox. Think as an Iowa with Yammy gun .

Yes its submergence was nerfed. But you realized that thing is still not nerfed enough?


Yet, it takes more hit than KM and IJN.

Like I said, Id love for that range or damage to make up for it but it just doesnt. Especially not against bb5s where, when playing defensively, it would be nice to atleast survive enough to crawl away... which it cannot do IF it even survives the hit.

Also, I may be mistaken, but its range comes at the cost of 45 degree guns which I always believed were slightly harder to use than guns with lower max angles. Nothing practise cant solve, but still.

I'm mostly just annoyed that I can have some really good games which end incredibly abruptly. Even after spending alot of time recently in the Sevas and the Krons leveling both an entire UK crew to 55 and some KM pilots to 68 (so bear in mind these are really poorly supported BBs, having at best a crew of lvl 55 UK supports) I've found neither of these 'inferior' ships to sink quite so easily, it really seems incredibly brittle.

And if its guns are overpowered that STILL isnt an excuse, I feel it needs rebalanced, guns toned down and then something to back it up defensively, possibly submergence, more likely turning force or speed. I was looking forward to it for quite a while after having spent weeks in the sevas leveling other crews. To find it so easily dealt with is frustrating. Got sunk from 90% (but fully restored SD) by an AD earlier today. Missed the tiny thing completely. Grrrr ><

Stalingrad is a good ship at present if you know how to play it and play defensively. The only main problem with it right now is speed, and you pretty much have no other choice but to run with only 50 bulge and nothing else so as to keep your speed close to 40knts OH.

I find Stalingrad to be capable of taking on most BB5s with the range and full salvo dmg, but it is a very delicate ship requires a lot of fine tuning of your skills in control it.

On a side note, never run in Stalingrad if your game is lagging like I do. I've had 3 weeks of hell trying to play Stalingrad with game freezes every 5 seconds.

To be honest with you, expecting a bb4 to withstand a bb5, you're expecting too much hope.

I think SN isn't made for you.


The gun isn't an excuse, it is overpowered.

The boat alone is still amazing, 40 knots with 18 turning force is still pretty decent, small hitbox, average subergence. It is fast enough to dodge, run away,
Ask any decent bb3 driver with lower range and lower damage that deals a game easily with a 17 or 18 turning force. They perform well also in GB.

If you feel it is wrong, that stalingrad is that weak since it can't take hit, you have never play with H39 and Yamato.
Because they do get oneshot WAY WAY WAY easier than stalingrad and they either don't have the range or damage compared to stalingrad.

Yet, stalingrad has great survivability, with that small hitbox. I strongly believe it was your faulty that lead you to die most of the time.



If you expect a ship to be able to take more hit, choose next time, vanguard, lion1 or Iowa. But they don't have the range and damage compared to your stalingrad.


Off topic, AD is overpowered as hell, it takes a smart guy to roll a bb4/bb5/bb6 with that small ship.
So don't be shocked if it own you or the ship next to you.

And when you get your bb5/bb6, they won't be able to take hits at all.

Not much is required to fix the stalingrad. At the moment, H39s just about beat it in a line fight (a durability nerf would help this). Yammys, beat it 1v1. Iowas and SW L1s are about the same as it 1v1.

In all honesty, the yammy is a far nicer ship to play, but a durability nerf and speed nerf to 37 would probably keep the stalingrad from being good at both line fighting and 1v1s.