Great Battle, with no subs allowed... im watching these new SS4's destroy 4 bb's a game with ease... I just watched an SS5 take out a BB6 2 BB5's and a BB4... he couldve done more but that game ended quickly cause they rolled over us. There's no exp in ASW so no body does it, subs for the most part ignore each other and go after BB's, you say put HH on a BB well 1, that slows your ship down and every experienced player knows how important 1 KNT can be... 2, i'm not wasting a good slot for a Sonarman cause I need my support sailors. So im simply throwing out the idea of a GB type with no subs, give the players the option to choose and see if they like what you've created with subs.