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It's a risk when you change your IP with VPN
10. 31. 2011 20:14

aiaa

Just remind the players who have to play NF through VPN, it is a risk.I have played this for such a long time but just
noticed this problem.

Because I'm currently in Beijing, China. the connection to NF server from my location is too bad to play.
it takes me a long time to to figure our how to play NF without too much lag, after I came back to China last year.
(the connection was so fast when I was in U.S., it was 30ms in the result of "ping 211.43.149.199". but here, it's
around 200ms, even use VPN)

So I have to use VPN, that means I connect to other country's VPN server first, then connect to the NF server. the
VPN is not free, I have to pay 5 bucks each month.I think you guys should know that VPN server's connection is not
at constant speed, so you have to change your VPN server sometime, depends on the connection speed.
But, when you login to NF from different location in the world, you will be treated as "shared account", and a "shared account" will not received any helf from TNF. If something
wrong happened, no matter it was caused by account sharing or not, TNF won't help you. (i.e., if your sailor
disappear, or maybe your non-credit ship disappear, event if that was caused by the server update. you won't get
them back.) I known this "issue of sharing account" long time ago, that we shouldn't share the account. But my understanding was, if your account was stolen or banned, you can't say the player who shares your account steal it, or that wasn't you who abuse the NF rule.......

Even for the stolen account, we have so many ways to know who is the real owner.
we have password
we have 2nd password
we have email (it's hard to hack someone's email account, who can hack google? so I think this is the most important way to know the ownership of the account)
and we have olive security key,

we also have a security question for the security key.

Corrected by MOD with help of OP

BBR_InsUW

Re : It's a risk when you change your IP with VPN
10. 31. 2011 20:27

richardphat	Life sucks. GMs are able to restore, but they just don't want to do it.

Re : It's a risk when you change your IP with VPN
10. 31. 2011 22:19

BBR_InsUW	Posted was corrected with the help of the Thread starter.

Re : It's a risk when you change your IP with VPN
11. 01. 2011 01:25

a6m5a	This will not count as account sharing, especially if you explain your circumstances. The GMs will be comparing all the ips you have used, and see if they are a match with other players. If they got a direct, or very close, match then I guess they could then say it was due to account sharing so would not help.

Re : It's a risk when you change your IP with VPN
11. 01. 2011 01:37

aiaa	if you use the vpn, you have to accept the risk caused by it. it cause extra works to help, if your ip is not constant.

Re : It's a risk when you change your IP with VPN
11. 01. 2011 01:56

mfischer

Yet another example of the impact the incorrect IP addressing has on SDE NFNA user base.

With the Servers located in the US using Korean IP addreses no wonder the route for SE Asia and Ocenania players base gets stuffed up.

Q. When will SDE pull ther ISP aside and get this fixed?

A. SDE has asked their ISP to correct this issue. They respond with there is not issue.

SDE have now decided that this ia a issue they cannot fix.

Well its easy... change hosting company to one in the US that uses US supplied IP addresses.
Problem solved.
wowo that was easy eh...takes about 2 weeks to plan and then 24-48hrs to commit the plan.

Do you recall all the job tickets I submitted in Feb of this year..and the weeks of no action...?

IWe look ...I do this crap for a living......hey here's an Idea...how about this.... I'll even do it for you????

Open offer to SDE...

Send me the details I'll project manage it and arrange for the move...for free..yeah thats right I won't even charge you.

Send me your details of the hosting budget, server sizing, Bandwidth requirments and management tools required.

I can find a reasonable US based hosting company located in west coast US who can provide hosted servers or VM' with the right bandwidth..
I'll project manage the move.
SDE can do the player based patch...please tell me you code the DNS entry in the APP not just the IP.
So much easier to manage a dns change....but if its IP so be it.

Then all good all done.

o.O

I await your reply....

Re : It's a risk when you change your IP with VPN
11. 01. 2011 02:07

aiaa

Originally Posted by mfischer

you mean if a player connect from different IP, that will cause problem of the database?

no wondering why I can play in the test server without problem, even when I need to download the full client, without vpn is more faster.

what I don't understand is, even when I am using VPN, connect from Japan or Korea, and the ping value is just 220ms, if use "ping 211.43.149.199 -t" to send more package, is very stable, and no package lose, but it still lag in the game, and I just lost the connection, so I have to restart the game. it is 2am of server time, not much player in the sea.....

Re : It's a risk when you change your IP with VPN
11. 01. 2011 04:41

mfischer

Ok its quite simple really.

The Servers are located in the West Coast USA in a Hosted Data Centre.

However..for some reason the USA Hosting Company ( which is really a Sth Korean ISP) is using Korean IP addresses for the SDE NFNA servers.

Now this means that for USA based ppl that their traffic in the USA is routed to the Servers usually ok as they are at the edge of the USA IP allocated Network
ie the next hop ...
but for the rest of SE and NE asia and ocenania this creates an issue as the IP addresses are routed to Sth Korea...then have to be re routed to USA.

Now here is the big problem....The routing of the IP addresses is via a static route at the Sth Korean ISP. They are not BGP routes.
So all this traffic has no other path but via the Sth Korean ISP Network.

Now this ISP is on the "cheap" side of the ditch so they actually route all this traffic via their China based co-partner...yep chaina..so this then gets re-routed finally via Japan and Hawai to the West coast USA.

To see this for yourself use a program such as visual trace route..http://visualroute.visualware.com/ download the "free" version and then run a test to the navyfield servers
This will display the path to the servers. Pingpath and trace route are not capable of displaying the path taken they just display the IP addresses. Visual trace route finds the routing node and displays the full location and path.

http://i41.tinypic.com/2co61w0.jpg

This is further defined in rfc4560 and if you really want to read the tech specs of this they are here : http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4560

:-)

happy hunting

Re : It's a risk when you change your IP with VPN
11. 01. 2011 13:32

mfischer	More than happy to have a chat with "Mr Kim" However I am located in Sydney Australia..call to Sth Korea would be expensive...just to get voicemail. SDE have my account registration details. Get "Mr Kim" to drop me an email and we will line up a chat. :=)

Re : It's a risk when you change your IP with VPN
11. 01. 2011 17:20

aiaa

Thanks mfischer for the technique notes.

anyway, i'm trying to keep use the constant VPN server,
since I have several accounts, at least, I can "fix" the account to the VPN server.
when I have to change VPN bcause of the lag issue, I change the account too,
so for the their connection log, my account will use relatively constant IP,

some other Chinese players told me there some "internet accleration" software could be used.
even these software are free. such as IPman, ET, .....
they won't change your IP, compare with the VPN, it's hard to understand why don't change IP but faster connection.

I think I will use the these free software from next month, because I have paid for this month's VPN service.

but, these free software not work as well as non-free VPN, really lag some time, but free is good.

I think it's fine, since I always use fighters on my CV,
if you guys see my high level CV not sending any fighter, or just hit on the rock, don't be surprised or angry.
because I was busy, busy for watching the powerpoint of navyfield, 10-20 slides/minute.
anyway, if my fighters kill one enemy airplane, I could have decent experience.....
playing battleship, you need to focus on the battle, so you can have more attack, more exp.
I can play BB when the connection is good enough, such as now, befor 9am of my local time, the ping is 200ms....

Re : It's a risk when you change your IP with VPN
11. 01. 2011 20:32

bloodsky	Sorry for your lag. I used to feel it but i havent lagged in a long time for some reason.. Awesome avatar tho.

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It's a risk when you change your IP with VPN
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