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  • Next CV patch will be the end of CVs?

    01. 07. 2012 21:09


catsandcradl
So looking at the test server forum, in the next patch or so they plan on modifying some aspect
of CV play. Two things really stand out 1) They are decreasing the sight of range of all fighters and
2) they are introducing Tier 5 fighters.

I want to see what everyone on the general discussion feels about this.

Well about decreasing the range of sight of fighter planes from what they are currently. I have to admit,
I think this might not be a good idea. This plan to decrease fighter sight range is going to chase away
a lot of CV players - and on Kaiser we have a serious - very serious problem of lack of CVs comming.

The idea by LJsevern is to force CVs to carry scout planes along with fighter planes. Basically, the idea
is that fighter planes should only be for fighting, and thus to provide sight for the fleet CVs have to
carry scouts as well -  this will enrich the content of the game and make CVs more "balanced" so to
speak.

I don't know about you, but playing CV is already extremely difficult as it is. You see CV players running
accidentally into the beach all the time because they are paying attention to their planes and not where
their ship is going - if you make them do fighter cover and forcing them to use scouts as well, that will
make CV's job all the more unenjoyable and harder. For one, BB players are going to complain and
verbally thrash CV players more - making everything all the more uncomfortable. The idea of nerfing
fighter sight range to "enrich" the player's experience does not sound like a good idea. It will chase
more wouldbe CV players away. BBs are always screaming for more sight north or south - and the best
way for a CV to do this is to get their fighters over there.

With less sight, expect more angry BB players - and less CV players too.

Another thing, scouts get shot down easily like droves. With fighters sight nerfed, you'd have to
continously replace more planes faster and faster. Fighters would even never see the ship that is
trying to AA them.

Remember before the old patch? Back then, IJN and UK CVs were competitive. After the patch we lost like
half of the CV community. Everytime they want to "tweak" something or "enrich" or "balance" something,
they ruin the efforts that players put into their fighter pilots and crews.

I use to play IJN CV back when there was the New York Server. Then they introduced the CV patch which
was a disaster for IJN and UK CVs. I stopped playing NF for a long time. And when I came back, I picked
up as a BB and not as a CV. So now I have a KM CV - and when they bring out this "balanced" patch, 
I have to go back and spend time to get and train scouts up because my fighters won't be able to
provide sight anymore.

But I'm worried the patch will make things so unenjoyable that I'll leave NF all together.

And the new Tier 5 planes. Good luck reaching lvl 115+. And also the T5s will make our current T3 so
obsolete that new players are going to quit like droves. It is very hard leveling pilots up to lvl 75 as it is.

I have to admit, after IJN and UK were nerfed, I was depressed to see that they are now going to
nerf the sight of all fighters now to make it harder for everyone. I don't know, what do you guys on
the general discussion forum think about this?

 

  • Re : Next CV patch will be the end of CVs?

    01. 07. 2012 21:15


normpearii
Uhh. Scouts don't normally Fight and kill fighters. Nor do bombers.
Fighters don't drop bombs.
So why should Fighters be elite Scouts? This is to make more players use scouts on the BBs. Leave CVs to fighting other planes.


Besides. Only 1 in 20 CVs even tries to scout nowadays. It wouldn't change gameplay at all...


My scout doesn't get killed easily. Your using it wrong. Keep it out of AA and move it away from fighters as they move it. Your scout can see fighters before fighters can.

Current t4s = T5s. There will be no increase is that regard... Locals are becoming T4s and are placed between the T3 and old T4s... So how will T3s be Obsolete Since you can kill T4s with T3s. started @ lvl 85 with a little thinking.

  • Re : Next CV patch will be the end of CVs?

    01. 07. 2012 22:07


FuriCuri
ummm correct me if iam wrong but the highest scout plane for scouts for USN is a mustang..so how can a mustang have more sight then.... a mustang...this is a terribad idea there is no reason to do this that has any sound logic that backs it up.Are BB players who dont carry scouts going to have to carry them or they dont gain exp? no! So why should I have to spend all my time using scouts instead of shooting down enemy fighters/DB/TB scouting is not a cvs job clearing the sky is a cvs job and its best if BBs control scouts cause they know best what targets they want

  • Re : Next CV patch will be the end of CVs?

    01. 07. 2012 22:11


CPTSkoal
For Captianalpha and his "Scoutcraft Carrier," this Bud's for you.

  • Re : Next CV patch will be the end of CVs?

    01. 07. 2012 22:29


mattd3
Forcing CVs to carry scouts, if that's actually true, is a joke. I don't have any rookie pilots, nor do I have any room to put one on my CV. Also, locals are fine as they are, making them better than T3s is silly. And if all theyir doing is changing classifications, there's 2 problems with that... 1) Locals are completely different from other fighers and can't be compared to them in a tier structure. 2) Tiers are completely player-originated. Nowhere in game or otherwise is any sort of tier established or acknowledged.

  • Re : Next CV patch will be the end of CVs?

    01. 07. 2012 22:54


FuriCuri
they need to start polling CV users about this cause they dont seem to know anything about CVs coming up with ideas like this they only know CVs from test server which is not anything like the real thing.

  • Re : Next CV patch will be the end of CVs?

    01. 08. 2012 03:23


yogibr
When I started starting playing NF, I was told that UK aircraft where nearly bullet proof and would be good choice for a rookie. After several months of leveling I finally get up to a Midway. Not long after, the CV patch comes out, and the UK aircraft are no longer near the top of the food chain, the US is now top dog.


So now I am nearing the upper levels of a US CV. I can assure you that if a major change is done to the CV's again, I and many others will walk away from this game. If you continue to move proverbial brass ring, people will stop reaching for it.

Just out of curiosity, why change the site range of fighters? My fighters are used for giving vision to my
team mates, What am I suppose to do with them, let them hang over the battle line waiting for bombers/scouts?

  • Re : Next CV patch will be the end of CVs?

    01. 08. 2012 04:01


Guest00936
Lets wait fellow CViers to what will going to happen and if its not good you can blame all to where this idea came from. SDE should be very careful in this matter they should not just listened to a single person or just a single group of a certain people of what are now we have, must have approve by many, most especially when CV concern should comes first to CViers. I just wondering why CV patch are comes from known BB lovers? But still we have to wait what will going to happen. And if necessary i am ready with a CV holiday again.

  • Re : Next CV patch will be the end of CVs?

    01. 08. 2012 04:02


Obergrattler
Bottom line is this: If you do not agree with a certain group of people, which miraculously consists of the members of a certain fleet and others affiiated with them, you don't understand anything and your opinion is irrelevant. That is why the feelings in general discussion are nothing more than the mumblings of mongoloids. I'm curious how this will end.

  • Re : Next CV patch will be the end of CVs?

    01. 08. 2012 04:05


Kilaenots
Originally Posted by yogibr

When I started starting playing NF, I was told that UK aircraft where nearly bullet proof and would be good choice for a rookie. After several months of leveling I finally get up to a Midway. Not long after, the CV patch comes out, and the UK aircraft are no longer near the top of the food chain, the US is now top dog.


So now I am nearing the upper levels of a US CV. I can assure you that if a major change is done to the CV's again, I and many others will walk away from this game. If you continue to move proverbial brass ring, people will stop reaching for it.

Just out of curiosity, why change the site range of fighters? My fighters are used for giving vision to my
team mates, What am I suppose to do with them, let them hang over the battle line waiting for bombers/scouts?

I understand your point, there has not been any balancing since the cv patch and it was always necessary to ensure UK and IJN got buffed up to a more useable level. The good news for you is that US should still be the best following this patch although I have no idea if this will work or realy how it will work and I have read most of the threads in test forum.

I do think that the aim to increase the use of scouts on bbs is futile. The current situation is that scouts help a bb and most good players will have them and use them. I don't think those that don't carry scouts now will suddenly change.

Also I agree with the fact that cvs take the most concentration to play (IMO) and increasing the amount and variation of what they do will make it harder for them and this WILL reduce the numbers of cv players.

Overall I am worried, I don't think this is going to work as well as the testers think. It might improve HA and FL but GB is the bread and butter of this game and I can see dark times ahead.

  • Re : Next CV patch will be the end of CVs?

    01. 08. 2012 04:46


Cracko
Originally Posted by Guest00936

Lets wait fellow CViers to what will going to happen and if its not good you can blame all to where this idea came from. SDE should be very careful in this matter they should not just listened to a single person or just a single group of a certain people of what are now we have, must have approve by many, most especially when CV concern should comes first to CViers. I just wondering why CV patch are comes from known BB lovers?


Im sure SS5 drivers wondered the same time ago.


Originally Posted by Obergrattler

Bottom line is this: If you do not agree with a certain group of people, which miraculously consists of the members of a certain fleet and others affiiated with them, you don't understand anything and your opinion is irrelevant. That is why the feelings in general discussion are nothing more than the mumblings of mongoloids. I'm curious how this will end.


Yes, that's the bottom line.


Originally Posted by Kilaenots

Overall I am worried, I don't think this is going to work as well as the testers think. It might improve HA and FL but GB is the bread and butter of this game and I can see dark times ahead.


Indeed, dark times. What the "balancers" insist to limit their point of view to HA/FL. A small percentage of battles are only FL/HA, there are people that never played HA/FL. The inmense majority of players play GBs and this is where you have to look instead seeing all since a "pro" point of view.

How this will affect to GBs? Simple. Less vission and more flames to CVs. In theory this will "force" people to scout better ... but theory doesn't use to work allways and there are people that are hard learners. In theory this will be good for the "pro" BB players to play in conditions with few light, lets see what they think when they will be completly blind all the time XD. I guess then there will be the time for making some posts complaining about people don't know how to scout ... if you make game harder for people, after that don't complain.

For specialized "pro" bb/cv players i believe this patch will be good, in harder conditions good players make good job, but for the inmense majority of players (you know, that is the real NF comunity) and for the GB enviroment i dont see it clear. We will see, maybe players will inprove their scouting skills faster than expected ... i doubt it.

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