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  • Introduction of new nation when SN is clearly broken and weak - LOL

    03. 23. 2012 00:20


PRINCIPES

As above and its a joke.

 

  • Re : Introduction of new nation when SN is clearly broken and weak - LOL

    03. 23. 2012 03:09


ljsevern

For once, shock horror, I agree in part with Principes. We were working on SN fixes, and I have always said that existing content fixes/rebalances should be the priority.

However, from his previous posts, I disagree with his vision of SN. I want to see it balanced properly. And to be honest, the BB5/6 don't need a huge amount of work doing, and the BB4 is already an absolute machine... 

  • Re : Introduction of new nation when SN is clearly broken and weak - LOL

    03. 23. 2012 07:56


V2CxBongRipz

Originally Posted by ljsevern

... and the BB4 is already an absolute machine... 

No to mention the SN Seva that outclasses the USN seva by far going 44 knots with a better spread and range. Or how about the IM BB3? Or the AA guns that outrange CAs with HE shells?

 

 

lol @ SN being weak...

  • Re : Introduction of new nation when SN is clearly broken and weak - LOL

    03. 23. 2012 10:15


ljsevern

Probably about the BB5/6. They are ok, but slightly below what they should be to be honest.

Unfortunately, SDE doesn't have a 9 to 5 Head of Balance that is paid. 

  • Re : Introduction of new nation when SN is clearly broken and weak - LOL

    03. 23. 2012 13:05


f0xd1e

BB6 sucks. big deal.  U shouldnt use BB6 outside of a HA..

The BB3 IM is an amazing BB3 even after the damage/submergence nerf.

the BB4 Stalingrad is a complete monster in regard to BB4's

and the BB5 Soyuz is an extremely fun boat.  Even with the lvl 100 guns going 37 knots, or the lvl 110 guns going 36 knots.

The damage output on the 110 guns in combination with the amazing spread just wrecks boats.

As someone who hates slow boats with a passion i actually ENJOY playing the Soyuz with its 36 knots and high damage output..its quite fun. 

  • Re : Introduction of new nation when SN is clearly broken and weak - LOL

    03. 23. 2012 13:27


cornandbeef

Originally Posted by f0xd1e

BB6 sucks. big deal.  U shouldnt use BB6 outside of a HA..


and the BB5 Soyuz is an extremely fun boat.  Even with the lvl 100 guns going 37 knots, or the lvl 110 guns going 36 knots.



Just because a ship like the BB6 shouldn't (imo) be used in GBs doesn't mean it should be ignored. There shouldn't be ships that suck in this game, there should be ships that are the worst in their tier but it shouldn't have to be so bad that it's never used.

Also, the 110 gun Soyuz goes 35 knts. No ship at OH cap does 36, 38, 41, 43, 46 or 48 knts because there is no rounding in the formula (base x 1.7 = OH cap).

  • Re : Introduction of new nation when SN is clearly broken and weak - LOL

    03. 23. 2012 15:32


Iced8383

Originally Posted by f0xd1e
U shouldnt use BB6 outside of a HA..


So suddenly I can't learn my angles and make sure everything is dialed in right on my BB6 outside of an HA.  I don't think so.  I'm cool with people using their BB6/CV6 before HA to make sure everything is working right, but outside of that it's really unnecessary unless you just got your BB6.

  • Re : Introduction of new nation when SN is clearly broken and weak - LOL

    03. 23. 2012 15:41


Rehor

Originally Posted by f0xd1e
and the BB5 Soyuz is an extremely fun boat.

If you're high.  Very, very high.

 

Originally Posted by Iced8383
Originally Posted by f0xd1e
U shouldnt use BB6 outside of a HA..

So suddenly I can't learn my angles and make sure everything is dialed in right on my BB6 outside of an HA.  I don't think so.  I'm cool with people using their BB6/CV6 before HA to make sure everything is working right, but outside of that it's really unnecessary unless you just got your BB6.

I think that was understood.

Although I find the Saturday morning rush of S____ A_______ BB6's is downright retarded.

*EDIT* - Well, look at that . . . it's started twelve hours early.

  • Re : Introduction of new nation when SN is clearly broken and weak - LOL

    03. 26. 2012 04:27


Haemoneptra

Originally Posted by f0xd1e


and the BB5 Soyuz is an extremely fun boat.  Even with the lvl 100 guns going 37 knots, or the lvl 110 guns going 36 knots.

The damage output on the 110 guns in combination with the amazing spread just wrecks boats.

I got my soyuz to go 37 with the 110's and 39 with the 100's.

The damage output is mearly a result from the number of shells. And TBH, my spread is FAR from descent with the lvl 110's. My gunners are lvl 111 elite acc's with 140 vets and full expers. i know about the 'lvl cap dependence' of the acc cap, but at level the spread is far from amazing, as you put it. This does not have to change on my part, as it gives a bit of flavor to playing the soyuz.

My ingame experiences with the soyuz: i push out at the start, mostly get a descent shot in, enemy fighters take down my scout, i get rushed by L2/alsace/new italian bb5 and i die. especially with the 110 guns, as i'm to slow to get away, not maneuvrable enough to continuously dodge all the shells, and seriously lack in range to compensate for the slowness of the ship.

 

Not that i'm complaining :P

  • Re : Introduction of new nation when SN is clearly broken and weak - LOL

    03. 26. 2012 05:14


Gtdawg

The awesomeness of the BB34 is balanced by the crappy BB56.

I don't think they are 100% awful, but they could use another knot of speed. 

  • Re : Introduction of new nation when SN is clearly broken and weak - LOL

    03. 26. 2012 05:22


SylverXI

SN BB6 sux in GB and in HA too.

It's a ship slower then kaiser, firepower of a kaiser(tested on live server), has high angle guns(the one thing that makes people dislike amagi).

Why use a P24 when you can use a Kaiser that has space for more then 3 T5 scout, waaaaay better AA, better range, more speed, less gun reload and not much of the high hangtime crap.

Against the rush of AW ships, you will start hitting a AW ship at 33-34 degrees thanks to it's high angle guns and low speed, so it's crap against armored ships to, unless you get a lucky max angle hit.

Thanks to it's high angle and speed, you can't expect to hit anything or slingshot like a Nebby or even an Amagi in a line battle. So yes, the SN BB6 is crap, it's bad in a line battle and against AW rushes and against compact & fast moving ships. It needs more firepower and scouts.

 

The BB5 is a BB4.5. It's slower than the other BB5, and has the second lowest range. In GB it will probably outperform a H44, but I still find it relatively a crappy BB5. It needs more range in both guns, the triples should be the same as that of H44, the quads like SY.

 

The BB4 is also a BB4.5 with the 16"guns, and a BB3.5 with the 12" guns. The 16" has too much range and the 12" has too little range. They need to give the 16" crappier spread and the 12" more range.

 

The only good thing in every SN BB is it's awesome spread right now.

Also, the BB3's aren't awesome either, after the displacement increase for the IM, it's well balanced for a BB3. The Kronshtadt on the other hand, comes in the same category as the Hood.

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