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Bismark 1943 or H41
01. 11. 2013 08:23
mustangman
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I've come down to deciding to get a KM ship for my EBB ticket. It appears that the Bismark 1943 is a bit better than the H41.
Has anyone used both these ships and can offer useful advice?
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Re : Bismark 1943 or H41
01. 14. 2013 10:37
Kogard
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Regarding H41, I read Rehor statement that plane space 180 is intended, but he will be looking out H41 capability to launch 2 planes at once. If u rarely scout urself and relying on cvs, 180 planes space doesn't matter. If u often scout changing 240 -->180 is a problem.
Can anyone ask why H41 got reduced plane space while other ebb5 got slightly more spaces/the same?
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Re : Bismark 1943 or H41
01. 14. 2013 21:14
ErwinJA
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Originally Posted by Benser33
Originally Posted by ErwinJA
Also, as I understand it, increased displacement increases the damage taken from large caliber shells, not the reverse. This is one of the reasons the H44 is so fragile compared to, say, the L2.
Increased displacement does increase damage taken, which is actually what I said. The reduced displacement actually results in the H41 taking less damage than the H39, through a mechanic called submergence.
Max displacement of the H39 is 69,000.
Max displacement of the H41 is 66,200.
I think the H41 has more free displacment than the H39 aswell.
These points considered, I wouldn't personally call the H41 a downgrade. It is, imo, a direct upgrade in most every way, other than the anomolous scout space which is more a bug than a nerf, not worth taking into consideration for comparison purposes.
Is submergence based on empty displacement, max displacement, or actual displacement? Empty, the H41 is 5000 tons heavier. For actual displacement, my current setup is 64,024 tons for the H41, while the H39 as set in my previous post is 57,492. That makes my H41 significantly heavier. For useable displacement, you get the following for the H39: Empty: 27,614 tons Tactical*: ~57,500 tons Max: 69,000 tons That means it can load about 30,000 tons before dropping below 39 knots, and over 41,000 total For the H41, you get the following: Empty: 32,612 tons Tactical*: >64,000 tons Max: 66,200 tons It can hold slightly more before dropping to 37 knots (31,500), but significantly less (33,500) absolute. All the EBB5s are like this, though some of the others, such as the MN one, don't see such a sharp drop in total DWT. Tactical=Max displacement at which it still goes 39 knots when speed capped
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Re : Bismark 1943 or H41
01. 15. 2013 10:48
Benser33
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Submergence is based on the max displacement of a ship, you can't modify your ships submergence. Wether you fill it with armor or don't, the submergence value can't be changed.
I didn't notice before that the EBB5s had less free displacement, I thought they had more to allow for the extra support sailor without changing bulge values too much. I'm not too sure what the impact of that is, though you say you can fit more bulge before losing a knot on the H41 despite it being heavier before you even apply armor, but are you including extra speed granted by an extra engineer?
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Re : Bismark 1943 or H41
01. 23. 2013 09:09
Kogard
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Originally Posted by Benser33
I didn't notice before that the EBB5s had less free displacement, I thought they had more to allow for the extra support sailor without changing bulge values too much. I'm not too sure what the impact of that is, though you say you can fit more bulge before losing a knot on the H41 despite it being heavier before you even apply armor, but are you including extra speed granted by an extra engineer?
My H39 speed 40kts with 4 engy 2 rep 1 scout.
My H41 has the same armor/AA setup with H39;
If I add 1 more engy, H41 runs 40kts(5 engy 2 rep 1 scout)
If I add 1 more rep, H41 runs 39kts(4 engy 3 rep 1 scout)
Without crew my H41 32kts, H39 33kts.
Speed wise H41 the same as H39 with 1 more engy, which sailor u wanna add is ur choice...
PS; my support sailors lv 98, bve +12.
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Re : Bismark 1943 or H41
01. 23. 2013 21:05
ErwinJA
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Originally Posted by Benser33
Submergence is based on the max displacement of a ship, you can't modify your ships submergence. Wether you fill it with armor or don't, the submergence value can't be changed.
I didn't notice before that the EBB5s had less free displacement, I thought they had more to allow for the extra support sailor without changing bulge values too much. I'm not too sure what the impact of that is, though you say you can fit more bulge before losing a knot on the H41 despite it being heavier before you even apply armor, but are you including extra speed granted by an extra engineer?
The extra slot is irrelevant for speed because I didn't use it for an extra engy. I was already speed capped. My engis are all lvl 120 BVE after all. After a closer look, the only guaranteed downgrades are in total useable displacement and pathetic (for KM) plane space. I've also not confirmed it, but anecdotally, I have never been able to dodge DBs with this ship, which was never a problem for me in the H39. It may just be that I kept getting targeted by good players, but I can't shake the feeling that it might have a slightly larger hit box. It also seems unusally fragile when hit with DBs.
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