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  • How many experts do i need to burn for over 100 vets?

    03. 21. 2013 12:18

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TempusIsBack

I realize this is a very generalized question, But since most of my sailors have at least 107 vets, ABOUT how many experts will I have to burn to get  30 - 40 vets?

Do I need to go higher or is this an ability capped amount?

 

Thanks for any honest answers !

 

  • Re : How many experts do i need to burn for over 100 vets?

    03. 22. 2013 19:38


EricIdle

Originally Posted by Benser33

Remember this. 1 vet is worth 4 experts. So you if you burn 400 experts and get less than 100 vets, your ability total would be reduced.

 

If you're going to do it, make sure you have some experts to refill those you have lost so you actually benefit from increased ability.

This is correct, but beside the point.

If you want to get the max ability out of your sailor in the long run, you have to be prepared to take a performance hit in the short run. Each battle you play, you'll gain experts. AAing does get you quite a few more.

  • Re : How many experts do i need to burn for over 100 vets?

    03. 24. 2013 05:24


Benser33

Originally Posted by tulsa1

Adelberts guide said that the probability of rolling a vet was 10% for each roll.

Stealth spent 800 experts for 80 vets which comes out at the Adelbert 10% number.

So, to get 100 vets assuming the 10% number, you will have to burn 1000 experts.

There's no way it's a fixed 10%.

  • Re : How many experts do i need to burn for over 100 vets?

    03. 24. 2013 07:57


EricIdle

Originally Posted by tulsa1

Adelberts guide said that the probability of rolling a vet was 10% for each roll.

Stealth spent 800 experts for 80 vets which comes out at the Adelbert 10% number.

So, to get 100 vets assuming the 10% number, you will have to burn 1000 experts.

The comment that 4 vets equals 1 expert is correct. 

As to accuracy cap....gunners hit it about lvl 70 and no additional amount of vets or experts will increase accuracy.

If you want to calculate true ability for your sailors....go here: 


http://www.tarrif.net/cgi/production/nf_ability_calculator.php

Don't listen to this guy - not only is he completely wrong about the 10% (that Adalbert does not mention anywhere), he also does not understand how the acc cap works, either.

As that cap is dynamic (increases with each level), your gunners' accuracy, even if they have reached the cap, still improves with each level-up. So a gunner that has reached the cap at level 75 would have a lower accuracy than the same gunner at level 110. True, that would not be due to more experts and vets - only because of ability gain through gaining a level.

  • Re : How many experts do i need to burn for over 100 vets?

    03. 24. 2013 11:09


jotabe

what i can say is that there is a MUST to have premiun in order to burn experts. It WILL give you better chance.

the other factor to consider is the "event" 200% conversion rate bonus, gived by SDE on certain events (the past one on weekends was one, anotherone is the Christmas event)... there used to be only few of this events a couple of years back, but since the game is slowly dying this events come every couple of months.

 

To "boost" a sailor from 100 to 140 vets your sailor can eat less than 100 to about 400 experts. (with prem on 200% rate event)

if you plan to "boost" an entire (lets say 8 supports for a BB) crew from 100 to 140.. with prem and 200% rate, about 4 will reach 140 with no more than 100 to 150 exp, 3 of them will eat 200 to 300 experts and one pesky sailor will eat 400 experts to reach 140... (thats in my personal experience pretty generalyzed, when you burn a set of sailors a couple will have no problems, another couple will only have minor issues, and there's allways a last pain in the but).

Consider to buy 2000 experts for lvl up crew. and if you are smart you will also buy a 3 day prem (only 40 olives) to burn with high rate

 

btw... if you have the chance, convert expert to vets from 0 to about 60... then you take it with single vets up to 69... and then you use 2 10 vet pack to take it to 109... its cheaper to use vet pack than burning from 70 to 109.

And Allways (from the moment you reach it) use your sailors BVE, there is no point on reaching 140 vets if you leave the sailor with no experts, it will perform worst and with normal expert win (even using AA) reach 300 expert migh take something like 50 to 100 battles... that's A LOT. If you're going to burn... be shure to have the expert replacement waiting on your item depot

 

  • Re : How many experts do i need to burn for over 100 vets?

    03. 24. 2013 20:17


vanity

Originally Posted by jotabe

what i can say is that there is a MUST to have premiun in order to burn experts. It WILL give you better chance.

the other factor to consider is the "event" 200% conversion rate bonus, gived by SDE on certain events (the past one on weekends was one, anotherone is the Christmas event)... there used to be only few of this events a couple of years back, but since the game is slowly dying this events come every couple of months.

 

To "boost" a sailor from 100 to 140 vets your sailor can eat less than 100 to about 400 experts. (with prem on 200% rate event)

if you plan to "boost" an entire (lets say 8 supports for a BB) crew from 100 to 140.. with prem and 200% rate, about 4 will reach 140 with no more than 100 to 150 exp, 3 of them will eat 200 to 300 experts and one pesky sailor will eat 400 experts to reach 140... (thats in my personal experience pretty generalyzed, when you burn a set of sailors a couple will have no problems, another couple will only have minor issues, and there's allways a last pain in the but).

Consider to buy 2000 experts for lvl up crew. and if you are smart you will also buy a 3 day prem (only 40 olives) to burn with high rate

 

btw... if you have the chance, convert expert to vets from 0 to about 60... then you take it with single vets up to 69... and then you use 2 10 vet pack to take it to 109... its cheaper to use vet pack than burning from 70 to 109.

And Allways (from the moment you reach it) use your sailors BVE, there is no point on reaching 140 vets if you leave the sailor with no experts, it will perform worst and with normal expert win (even using AA) reach 300 expert migh take something like 50 to 100 battles... that's A LOT. If you're going to burn... be shure to have the expert replacement waiting on your item depot

 


You could have saved yourself quite a bit of time writing if you had read the thread replies - most of what you have said there was already mentioned.

  • Re : How many experts do i need to burn for over 100 vets?

    03. 24. 2013 22:22


EricIdle

Originally Posted by vanity

Originally Posted by jotabe

words

You could have saved yourself quite a bit of time writing if you had read the thread replies - most of what you have said there was already mentioned.

+1

And, given that he advocates buying vet packs to get from 69 to 109 vets, his maths about expert burning to get from 100 to 140 vets sound wrong, too. His worst case scenario is burning 1900 experts for 320 vets in total. With around 16% conversion rate , I wouldn't buy vet packs for sailors with vets under 100, either.

His best case scenario is nearly 23% conversion rate: frankly, that is just lol.

  • Re : How many experts do i need to burn for over 100 vets?

    03. 26. 2013 19:04


jotabe

 

Originally Posted by vanity

You could have saved yourself quite a bit of time writing if you had read the thread replies - most of what you have said there was already mentioned.

 

well... its nice to reinforce concepts. besides... all that has been mentioned its already in old threads and guides... so, what's the point of even writing... lets just send that guy to RTFM

... i don't think so...

Originally Posted by EricIdle

+1

And, given that he advocates buying vet packs to get from 69 to 109 vets, his maths about expert burning to get from 100 to 140 vets sound wrong, too. His worst case scenario is burning 1900 experts for 320 vets in total. With around 16% conversion rate , I wouldn't buy vet packs for sailors with vets under 100, either.

His best case scenario is nearly 23% conversion rate: frankly, that is just lol.

 

I didn't say "buy" vetpack... you can use "daily check" olives to buy them, or better yet, use vets dropped during events. anyway, using vetpacks can be useful at some points.

About my "best case scenario"... i will say that me and one friend of mine i have max-vetted arround 10 crews, and i have spoken former fleet mates and friends across the entire server... you can say whatever you want, and everybody has his very own personal experience... but what i'm saying its pretty standar

 

  • Re : How many experts do i need to burn for over 100 vets?

    03. 28. 2013 18:07


normpearii

Originally Posted by Benser33

Originally Posted by tulsa1

Adelberts guide said that the probability of rolling a vet was 10% for each roll.

Stealth spent 800 experts for 80 vets which comes out at the Adelbert 10% number.

So, to get 100 vets assuming the 10% number, you will have to burn 1000 experts.

There's no way it's a fixed 10%.



This is correct, there is many factors influencing expert to vet conversions its is never a constant 10%.

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