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Low level BBs
07. 26. 2013 18:11
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Avor2121
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This is realy begining to piss me off, in 5/6 games I can't get a single attack point. I know when it's my fault, but more than not, there is nothing I can do.
I knew being a lowly BB1/2 in GB was going to be a hard fight, but I don't even get a chance to fight. All I can do is put up scouts and stay behind big BBs untill an oppertunity comes up, but if big friendly BBs die I'm dead meat, when i take a oppertinity big enemy BBs target me because it's easier points, and if I am more reserved friendly big BBs push ahead and kill everything before I get in range.
This kind of gameplay is no fun. I want to play the game, not watch for 3-6k exp a game.
Are there decent ways to get around this or mitigate it?
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Re : Low level BBs
07. 30. 2013 04:05
Avor2121
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Thanks for the effort, but I don't think these ideas will get much traction.
The AA/ASW is a good idea, but I'm legaly blind, I can't see aircraft or torps. Even if I could see, I don't think I would go with that, I need at the speed I can to close with the enemy BBs.
The PBB seemed like a good idea untill I saw the numbers. My USN crew is 2-3 levels away from the BB3. My SN crew is at 61, but the BB2 has larger R mounts, makeing the PBB redundent in 7 levels.
Going for the middle is as Benser said, I can be targeted from both sides. Also, I can see that subs favour the middle, I would not go there untill I had a very fast, small ship.
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Re : Low level BBs
07. 30. 2013 05:10
NIborGER
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Please remember that PBB have special main guns that normal ships cant use. Furthermore they have an additional crew slots so you can grind your support sailors even faster.
For USN (if you are just 2-3 levels away from BB3) you really dont need the PBB. But for SN you could consider it. It is better then the BB2s but you can do it without it too.
Though i was looking for some more detailed info on your crew/ship. Like number of engis/reps/scouts. How many sets of gunners do you have (and for us, how didi you classed them). Is everything boosted, number of vets, number of experts. How much SD do you currently have and which line did you went in detail. Saying just US isn't very precisely. In fact there are 3 different BB2s.
Best i can advice you for USN is to read this:
http://navyfield.com/Community/Forum/Old/View.aspx?v_page=12&num=125432&category=A01&searchType=1&searchValue=&pageCount=&sort=6&thread=20&page=1
Since its from the forum archive you should read the posts in reverse order. (there is a repost of this in the new forum but it is missing the picutres.
For SN: you already decided which line you will go? (gangut/IM or Izmail/Kron)
This might help you a bit (though some parts are outdated)
http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64514745/CSNG_V118A.png
Since it seems that you are rather new i am curious: what gun and what ammunition do you use?
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Re : Low level BBs
07. 30. 2013 11:57
jedizorro
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Originally Posted by Avor2121
Thanks for the effort, but I don't think these ideas will get much traction.
The AA/ASW is a good idea, but I'm legaly blind, I can't see aircraft or torps. Even if I could see, I don't think I would go with that, I need at the speed I can to close with the enemy BBs.
The PBB seemed like a good idea untill I saw the numbers. My USN crew is 2-3 levels away from the BB3. My SN crew is at 61, but the BB2 has larger R mounts, makeing the PBB redundent in 7 levels.
Going for the middle is as Benser said, I can be targeted from both sides. Also, I can see that subs favour the middle, I would not go there untill I had a very fast, small ship.
Friend, most PBBs are way better than most BB2s. This is the difference between paid ships and free ships. Reasons: 1) PBB has near-BB3 range, which is significatly farther than most BB2s. BB2s (if not all) cannot use PBB guns even if BB2s have larger gun space. Exception: UK PBB has shorter ranger than UK BB2 (i.e. Queen Elizabeth, Repulse). 2) PBB has one more support slot and more DP than regular BB2s. 3) Some PBBs have a much smaller hitbox than BB2s. Exception: PBB of following nations is larger than BB2 (although I can be wrong): MN, RM, IJN
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Re : Low level BBs
07. 30. 2013 17:30
Avor2121
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The SN PBB carries four triple 12"/52 Pattern 1907
The SN BB2 Izmail carries four tripple 14"/52 Pattern 1913
You can understand my skepticism.
Originally Posted by NIborGER
Though i was looking for some more detailed info on your crew/ship. Like number of engis/reps/scouts. How many sets of gunners do you have (and for us, how didi you classed them). Is everything boosted, number of vets, number of experts. How much SD do you currently have and which line did you went in detail. Saying just US isn't very precisely. In fact there are 3 different BB2s.
Sorry, I started my post before you posted yours, I didn't know. USN Colorado, four twin 16" Ls with light HE, heavy engine, no armor BO, Elite/Premium, level 75, 60 vets, 327 experts Gunners, Elite Acc/Premium, classed rld,acc,rld on time, 120 vets 340 experts Engineer, Elite/Premium, classed on time, level 72 , 40 vets 250 experts Engineer, Elite/Premium, classed on time, levle 74, 40 vets 320 experts Repair, Elite/Premium. classed on time, level 72, 40 vets 260 experts Repair, Elite/Premium, classed on time, level 74, 40 vets 370 experts Restorer, Elite/Premium, classed on time, level 63, 30 vets 240 experts Scout, level 69, 150 experts. AA gunners, classed on time, level 70, 80 vets 180 experts. SN BO- Elite/Premium, level 61, 30 vets 130 experts Gunners, Elite Rld/premium, classed on time, level 68, 100 vets 300 experts Restore, Elite/premium, classed on time, level 59, 30 vets 130 experts Engineer, Elite/premium, classed on time, level 61, 30 vets 140 experts Engineer, Elite/premium, classed on time, level 61, 20 vets 120 experts Engineer, Elite/premium, classed on time, level 61, 30 vets 140 experts Repair, Elite/premium, classed on time, level 61, 40 vets 120 experts Repair, Elite/premium, classed on time, level 61, 30 vets 140 experts Special forces, level 23, 16 experts.
Originally Posted by NIborGER
Best i can advice you for USN is to read this:
http://navyfield.com/Community/Forum/Old/View.aspx?v_page=12&num=125432&category=A01&searchType=1&searchValue=&pageCount=&sort=6&thread=20&page=1
Since its from the forum archive you should read the posts in reverse order. (there is a repost of this in the new forum but it is missing the picutres.
For SN: you already decided which line you will go? (gangut/IM or Izmail/Kron)
This might help you a bit (though some parts are outdated)
http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64514745/CSNG_V118A.png
Been over the US one before, but the SN one is no good with my eyesight,
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Re : Low level BBs
07. 30. 2013 18:41
jedizorro
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Originally Posted by Avor2121
The SN PBB carries four triple 12"/52 Pattern 1907
The SN BB2 Izmail carries four tripple 14"/52 Pattern 1913
You can understand my skepticism.
Izmail is in general overpowered. But it has significantly larger hitbox than SN PBB. And its turning force is 18, compared to SN PBB's 22. It can be easily one-shot in GB, but you almost never see SN/USN PBB being one-shot. Same reason for choosing USN PBB over Colorado, because Colorado is twice as wide as USN PBB, and its turning force is 18, compared to USN PBB's 23. Plus, PBB has 7 support slots compared to BB2s' 6 support slots. Unless BB2 has significantly longer range than PBB (such as UK BB2s), one should really use PBB more in GB if one has it. When you finally have your own high level BBs (BB4 and above), you will understand what I meant. You'll find for yourself that you will so much prefer aiming regular BB2s to aiming PBBs, because generally speaking, regular BB2s move slowly, turn slowly, have poor submergence, all of which make them a much, much easier target than PBBs. Again, this is the difference between paid ships and free ships.
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Re : Low level BBs
07. 30. 2013 21:45
phantom3553
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Originally Posted by jedizorro
Originally Posted by Avor2121
The SN PBB carries four triple 12"/52 Pattern 1907
The SN BB2 Izmail carries four tripple 14"/52 Pattern 1913
You can understand my skepticism.
It can be easily one-shot in GB, but you almost never see SN/USN PBB being one-shot.
this, even the lucky tight spread of my alsace haven't oneshotted a well played seva and gun calibre doesn't matter sometimes... km 11"/54.5 SK C/34 L lvl63 outranges gnessy's 14.95" and a little of bissy's althought they hit soft... UK 15" mark III outranges nelson's 16" and the buggy 10" and 6" eoc of RM have an epic range and for your supports you should have 100 vets by now
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Re : Low level BBs
07. 31. 2013 03:04
NIborGER
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Originally Posted by Avor2121
Sorry, I started my post before you posted yours, I didn't know.
USN
Colorado, four twin 16" Ls with light HE, heavy engine, no armor
BO, Elite/Premium, level 75, 60 vets, 327 experts
Gunners, Elite Acc/Premium, classed rld,acc,rld on time, 120 vets 340 experts
Engineer, Elite/Premium, classed on time, level 72 , 40 vets 250 experts
Engineer, Elite/Premium, classed on time, levle 74, 40 vets 320 experts
Repair, Elite/Premium. classed on time, level 72, 40 vets 260 experts
Repair, Elite/Premium, classed on time, level 74, 40 vets 370 experts
Restorer, Elite/Premium, classed on time, level 63, 30 vets 240 experts
Scout, level 69, 150 experts.
AA gunners, classed on time, level 70, 80 vets 180 experts.
SN
BO- Elite/Premium, level 61, 30 vets 130 experts
Gunners, Elite Rld/premium, classed on time, level 68, 100 vets 300 experts
Restore, Elite/premium, classed on time, level 59, 30 vets 130 experts
Engineer, Elite/premium, classed on time, level 61, 30 vets 140 experts
Engineer, Elite/premium, classed on time, level 61, 20 vets 120 experts
Engineer, Elite/premium, classed on time, level 61, 30 vets 140 experts
Repair, Elite/premium, classed on time, level 61, 40 vets 120 experts
Repair, Elite/premium, classed on time, level 61, 30 vets 140 experts
Special forces, level 23, 16 experts.
Been over the US one before, but the SN one is no good with my eyesight,
All elite and boosted. Thats impressive. But as already mentioned you should try to get all your support sailors too 100vets. Though more then 100 isn't necessary. At least I have just a few sailors with more then 100 vets, even on my BB6s. I hate to bring someone bad news but you will have to change some fundamental things on your support crew: -Restores become very quickly useless. I would recommend to drop both -For USN(with AA) try to get 3 reps and 5 engies in totall. You will need them for your BB6. If you just aim at BB5, you will need 3 reps and 4 engies. -For SN (no AA) try to get 4 reps and 6 engies in totall. Again, if you just aim for BB5, try to get 4 reps and 5 engies. Btw making your scout drop behind this far will hurt you later. Your Colorado-setup sounds perfect. I wouldn't change anything on it. tip for the sn guide: its a picture so you can download it and zoom in, or try "Controll"+"+" to zoom in your browser
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Re : Low level BBs
08. 16. 2013 18:22
DrSheep
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Originally Posted by jedizorro
Well to be honest, the +30% exp item completely killed the Skirmish room which was intended for those who just graduated from Blitz.
Although BB1s and most BB2s with at-level crew are absolutely crap and cannot do much in GB, you can alwasy buy PBB (which can be used at Lvl61).
PBB has near-BB3 range and tinny wheeny hit box. As long as you don't run parallel to BB6, no BB or CV can easily one shot a PBB. With at-level crew, you can easily do 20k - 30k per game. Someone with level120 crew on PBB can average 100k+ per game.
This is SDE's business model (pay-to-win), sorry, just accept this fact...
But if you collect free olives every day and for a long time, you can get the PBB for free..
Mate, one quick question. How do you get free olives everyday?....... I've been playing for awhile now and i dont have any olives
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Re : Low level BBs
08. 16. 2013 19:12
phantom3553
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Originally Posted by DrSheep
Originally Posted by jedizorro
Well to be honest, the +30% exp item completely killed the Skirmish room which was intended for those who just graduated from Blitz.
Although BB1s and most BB2s with at-level crew are absolutely crap and cannot do much in GB, you can alwasy buy PBB (which can be used at Lvl61).
PBB has near-BB3 range and tinny wheeny hit box. As long as you don't run parallel to BB6, no BB or CV can easily one shot a PBB. With at-level crew, you can easily do 20k - 30k per game. Someone with level120 crew on PBB can average 100k+ per game.
This is SDE's business model (pay-to-win), sorry, just accept this fact...
But if you collect free olives every day and for a long time, you can get the PBB for free..
Mate, one quick question. How do you get free olives everyday?....... I've been playing for awhile now and i dont have any olives
log in, in the website and wait until the calendar in the left side area loaded click any date and it will redirect you and click get free olive or something and enter the captcha correctly and you got 1 free olive of the day
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Re : Low level BBs
08. 18. 2013 03:26
WVDrummer
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Sadly, the Skirmish room was to have taken care of this by allowing the BB 1/2 players a chance to shine. With out a bunch of BB 4/5/6s outgunning you it worked. But SDE cannot seem to get the xp blanced to make it work.
The above suggestions are all helpful. You just neeb to adapt them to your playing style. If you are lucky, you can play a GB2 from time to time. You will get more xp in a BB1/2 there.
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