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Cleveland help
12. 04. 2011 21:45
n_scott_88
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After everything I read in the forums about the Cleveland I was excited to get one. Everything that I'd read said it was an absolute wrecker. An now that I have one, my rating of its capabilities is: wretched beyond belief. It seems completelyunable to stand up to anything, and its sole purpose seems to be to give experience to other players. I have been thrashed by everything from CA's to Atlantas and even on one particularly memorable occasion, a DDX. A DDX! Everyone seems to say the Cleveland beats the Brooklyn for three reasons:
1)Range: Cleveland mounts 8" instead of 6". But with non-elite gunners, you won't hit anything smaller than an island at range and with its slow reload and train, a close range battle is a losing proposition. Thats how the DDX beat me. Closed the range before I could sink it, then ripped me to shreds with 5" 38 on rapid fire. I watched entire volleys of my shells hit around it as if it was made of shell repelling metal.
2)DP: Negligble difference.
3)Speed: Also negligible. 54 knot in Cleveland, 51 in Brooklyn
Doesn't look so hot to me.
So my question is this: What the heck am I doing wrong?
My setup:
4x11" D's
No T slots
CL II FCS
CLIII heavy engine
0.5 belt, 9 bulge
My sailors:
Level 45 rld/acc or acc/rld gunners. 50 vets, 100-150 experts
2 engies level 40
2 reps level 40
1 scout
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Re : Cleveland help
12. 05. 2011 15:33
megabstr
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Originally Posted by n_scott_88
Originally Posted by Lionel2
I started out SO bad that I walked away for a bit and came back. Actually, it was my intention to get on the test server to help the guys, but after I loaded it I couldn't figure out how to get on.
Don't let my DDX tactics change how you play the game. With that ship/crew, I can cut down Alsaka, PCL, CA, whatever.... if they make the mistake of letting me get into range!
After seeing you in action I don't doubt it. But my problems go deeper than that. There were a couple matches that I lost that I really shouldn't have. Including one time I was last ship left on my team going up against 2-3dd and 1 cv. I should have won that one, but the dd's ate me for breakfast cuz my spread was so bad I couldn't hit them. Its very sad when you realize a DD half the number of guns half your size can dish out more damage because you're only landing 1-2 hits per salvo even at point blank range. Every once in a while I put in a good performance, but only when my team is doing well, or at least breaking even. Thats when I can hide behind the line and let them keep people away and just lob salvos at people and hope for accuracy by volume. But anytime things go badly, or get a little chaotic, I'm next to useless. And considering how blitz's normally go, that means that pretty much almost every match in blitz I go down with a whimper.
sorry that might have been me and other fleetmates in neut DDs >.<
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Re : Cleveland help
12. 05. 2011 16:15
n_scott_88
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Originally Posted by megabstr
Originally Posted by n_scott_88
Originally Posted by Lionel2
I started out SO bad that I walked away for a bit and came back. Actually, it was my intention to get on the test server to help the guys, but after I loaded it I couldn't figure out how to get on.
Don't let my DDX tactics change how you play the game. With that ship/crew, I can cut down Alsaka, PCL, CA, whatever.... if they make the mistake of letting me get into range!
After seeing you in action I don't doubt it. But my problems go deeper than that. There were a couple matches that I lost that I really shouldn't have. Including one time I was last ship left on my team going up against 2-3dd and 1 cv. I should have won that one, but the dd's ate me for breakfast cuz my spread was so bad I couldn't hit them. Its very sad when you realize a DD half the number of guns half your size can dish out more damage because you're only landing 1-2 hits per salvo even at point blank range. Every once in a while I put in a good performance, but only when my team is doing well, or at least breaking even. Thats when I can hide behind the line and let them keep people away and just lob salvos at people and hope for accuracy by volume. But anytime things go badly, or get a little chaotic, I'm next to useless. And considering how blitz's normally go, that means that pretty much almost every match in blitz I go down with a whimper.
sorry that might have been me and other fleetmates in neut DDs >.<
Ha ha its all good. I have enough credits to buy my Brooklyn back and still keep my cleveland on mothballs for a while, so this weekend will be different.
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Re : Cleveland help
12. 06. 2011 04:57
Lionel2
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Originally Posted by megabstr
sorry that might have been me and other fleetmates in neut DDs >.<
Dam mega, now you are making me feel bad. Wonder what is going on in these other guys minds that aren't posting in here.... lol
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Re : Cleveland help
12. 06. 2011 05:04
Lionel2
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Originally Posted by n_scott_88
After seeing you in action I don't doubt it. But my problems go deeper than that. There were a couple matches that I lost that I really shouldn't have. Including one time I was last ship left on my team going up against 2-3dd and 1 cv. I should have won that one, but the dd's ate me for breakfast cuz my spread was so bad I couldn't hit them. Its very sad when you realize a DD half the number of guns half your size can dish out more damage because you're only landing 1-2 hits per salvo even at point blank range.
Every once in a while I put in a good performance, but only when my team is doing well, or at least breaking even. Thats when I can hide behind the line and let them keep people away and just lob salvos at people and hope for accuracy by volume. But anytime things go badly, or get a little chaotic, I'm next to useless. And considering how blitz's normally go, that means that pretty much almost every match in blitz I go down with a whimper.
Id say that your performance, with those gunners, in that ship, is about right. Its not you, its just the way the game is. My L50s gunners will outperform your L35 gunners regardless of what gun/ship they are on, if they are employed correctly. I've also seen L115 fighters flying T1s shoot down L90s flying T3s. Its the level of the sailor that really counts. Another issue is the auto FCS vs aiming FCS in blitz. With the large number of people using auto its hard to keep up. Also, the high speed of both the ship shooting and the speed of the target ship, the small size of the target ships and the small hobbit map and the relatively low range of the guns all combine to make it a very unfriendly aiming FCS game. This all changes in GB. The longer range and slower ships make this the place to really use aiming to its full effect. I struggled with aiming bad in blitz. It wasn't until I got to GB and had the chance to actually shoot is when I could get better. The final thing about spread is your gunners need to be at least 5 levels above the guns. In BBs make that even more. You'll see a huge improvement if you do.
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Re : Cleveland help
12. 06. 2011 20:15
megabstr
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Originally Posted by Lionel2
Originally Posted by megabstr
sorry that might have been me and other fleetmates in neut DDs >.<
Dam mega, now you are making me feel bad. Wonder what is going on in these other guys minds that aren't posting in here.... lol
lol i said me AND other fleetmates. i die too easily >.<
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Re : Cleveland help
12. 07. 2011 06:50
Lionel2
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Originally Posted by megabstr
Originally Posted by Lionel2
Originally Posted by megabstr
sorry that might have been me and other fleetmates in neut DDs >.<
Dam mega, now you are making me feel bad. Wonder what is going on in these other guys minds that aren't posting in here.... lol
lol i said me AND other fleetmates. i die too easily >.<
LOL don't BS me. I've seen those toliet flushers driving innocent looking ships and suddenly wiping the floor with CAs and CLs. Piccasso in particular has some really long range guns on a tiny ship!
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