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Can BB players help Cv's
07. 13. 2011 19:17
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benjamin1579
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Can BB players let there CV's know what they need. Sight over a particular ship or FC.
So i've tried this a few times by asking my side " North let me know what you need and ill send planes" or near the end of the game and everyones spread out.
I usually get the response that I must be a noob CV player because i should know what to do.
But due to there being so much going on and your trying to provide FC for your side plus sight it can become a little hard and easy to miss enemy planes or sight over all ships.
I know this may annoy people but if they let cv's know more it would help a great deal.
I try and let cv players know what i need when playing BB's and most of the time they provide sight fairly quickly.
Thanks and look forward to any different points of view.
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Re : Can BB players help Cv's
07. 29. 2011 01:05
aingeal
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You are aware most SS kill AA whore cuz many are also ASW and filled with PHH right?
As far as communication goes, I always ask if something needs attention.
Often I get no result. I dont insist past that, many CV are so focused on guiding their bombers or dogfighting for credits in place where their planes are totally useless (hey look bombers going past the brawl!) that they dont even read the chat, and ignore the rest of the game. Often happens when the battleline needs to retreat and you are getting xed by your cv that didnt see squat. (cv back...CV BACK...omg...ow well)
If a CV however does its best to help, and I can see it, I won't blame him. I've defended such player against BB whining on many occasion, telling them to lay off, he is simply outclassed. I also got eyes, and I sometimes spend game without seeing a single friendly fighter south. And I always ask for it then if I got visual problems.
As far as AA ship goes, do you think we don,t care about them? They nuke our scouts too. But many are small fast, and the hangtime of the BBs can make them hard to hit. We have one shot before they go running behind their BBs, and some stay there in the first place. If one comes in range, but a BB is also in range, chance are I'll shoot that direct threat right away rather than the indirect one.
One trick : an AA ship is shooting at your plane? Lure it into the BB line range while there are no BB rushing. You'll probably see lots of BBs firing at it at once.
Not all AA ship fall for it however.
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Re : Can BB players help Cv's
07. 29. 2011 04:27
nunki
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Originally Posted by aingeal
One trick : an AA ship is shooting at your plane? Lure it into the BB line range while there are no BB rushing. You'll probably see lots of BBs firing at it at once.
Not all AA ship fall for it however.
Their big BB's will follow their tiny AA's into BB line..
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Re : Can BB players help Cv's
07. 29. 2011 10:54
aingeal
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Originally Posted by nunki
Originally Posted by aingeal
One trick : an AA ship is shooting at your plane? Lure it into the BB line range while there are no BB rushing. You'll probably see lots of BBs firing at it at once.
Not all AA ship fall for it however.
Their big BB's will follow their tiny AA's into BB line..
Not if we clearly have visual. The AA ship doing that gets so focused at nuking the plane he forgets bout the rest of the game. Or takes a risk thinking it got enough OH to evade the shots, nuke the plane and go back to safety.
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Re : Can BB players help Cv's
08. 05. 2011 14:10
joshmon999
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Originally Posted by heatrr
Originally Posted by Edmund
I agree that BB and CV should cooperate, and should let CV know where planes are needed for incoming bombers, sight, etc. People should not complain about CVs being useless if they don't say anything to the CV; much like voting, if you don't vote you cant complain.
I call BS on what your saying. Having played this game 2.5+ years, I cannot even begin how many games I have joined and played where right from the get go, BB players have communicated what they needed: eyes. clear the skies of enemy fighters and scouts, etc. Has it helped? Hell, no. Why? Because the vast majority of CV players today are either inept, clueless, care about nothing but themselves, and are simply gimped by being bomber or DB whores and not even carrying fighters in GBs. But yeah, you want me to communicate with them? I do, but apparently it is difficult for them to read sign language on the other side of my screen. =.= Until the lvl120 Scout fix, I will continue to use my 120 T5 scout in GBs and give sign language to most CVs. PS. Unless I am playing with fleetmates or those CVs I can trust to communicate with, once the fix is made, I will still continue to scoff at most CVs...as they continue on their merry way as DB and TB whores. Besides, team play in GBs is near dead; it's play for yourself. Rinse and repeat.
I think everyone should give a BIG round of applause to this fine example of a real , honest-to-goodness asset to this game. A real team player, that helps educate the newer players in a constructive style that aids us all by giving us new, competent players to battle. His tireless , and very very humble efforts have NOT gone unnoticed. I'm willing to start taking donations for some sort of memorial plaque acknowledging his contributions, and showing our gratitude for his insightful, intelligent comments. As long as we have ppl like this guy out there, friendly, humble and helpful, this game should last a long time, in a spirit of mutual progression and achievement. \sarcasm
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Re : Can BB players help Cv's
08. 05. 2011 14:42
OttoReinhold
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Well, heatrr comes along like an asshat. But sadly he is mostly right. There are so many CVs out there who do the same mistakes again and again. I can understand him getting over it and not communicating with those people.
Some points:
1. dont fight enemy fighters above your own battleships. It doesnt matter if you beat them or not. While it is nice to be unseen it sucks to be seen and have no view yourself.
2. feel free to DB/TB, but don't complain if people get mad about you bombing some random CL or even miss. This is just waste of time, really.
3. don't cry about your fighters getting shot by higher leveled fighters. We all have that problem. If you cannot take on an opponent try do something else that helps your team.
4. again, don't fight enemy fighters above your own BBs. And even more so don't complain if friendly AA kills your fighters there. They are simply doing their job, whereas your fighters are in the wrong place to start with.
5. oh and watch the map every now and then. if you stay with your BB line you can take your fighters and bombers to the enemy much quicker. Don't simply slowboat into some corner far away.
this is not a general rant against CVs. Most CV drivers do some or all of these things very well. Also I don't expect CVs to scout for me. If I can launch a scout I'll scout myself. But it really pisses me off when I see fighters brawling all over me and I can't launch a scout because it gets shot down and thus am blind. the smart CV drivers do this to the enemy BBs and make them rant at their "useless CVs". Hint hint: outsmart the enemy!
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Re : Can BB players help Cv's
08. 05. 2011 14:44
Emmaus
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My biggest complaint when I play cv is the AA ships on my side who just spam anything in the air usually my ftrs that I am trying to either give sight or knock down scouts or defend the bbs
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Re : Can BB players help Cv's
08. 05. 2011 15:15
joshmon999
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See Otto? What a useful post, not necessarily for the OP, but for the many people who might need this advice who read this thread. I feel that if you chose to be an elitist and refuse to assist in the creation and maintenance of a skilled player base, you lose all right to complain about it, as the person he apparently disagreed with had said. You dont vote, then dont complain about politics. I'm not sure how ANYONE could disagree with that statement.
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Re : Can BB players help Cv's
08. 05. 2011 16:38
ArcticHaze
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If a CV BWs (hopefully CV3 tier and below) and fails to go for essential targets that matter, then it is retarded. BWing is credible if done correctly along disorienting enemy fighters from the biggest CVs ingame. On the CV's perspective in a short and sweet manner, if a CV fails to prepare a criteria of every game based on their pilot setup, then they are just preparing to fail in general. I've recently made an abridged comment concerning about CV playstyles, you can view it here:
http://tinyurl.com/4yumrej
In a quick regard for BBs, despite the burdening responsibilities from the CVs, the BBs should respectively do their job as well by holding the line while the CVs do their magic and not get themselves rolled because no one likes 5 min games for the losing team with the south flank generally being rolled first. There's not too much going on playing BB compared to CV so if you managed to get sunk too early when you're given vision, then you should respectively remain quiet and not complain about CVs and I'm presuming people know who they are in that regard. I've always found AA as a requirement for BB play against bombers, it simply just makes the CV's job much easier while their fighters are on the other side of the map and surely one less thing to complain about if you're getting bombed in any case.
Sometimes, not everything simply works out as planned even with obvious factors, the gameplay turnout always changes every passing minute and it seems many still forget this basic factor on what determines a win/lose for the team, but after all, GB2 the only game mode that everyone plays and it's quite obvious that no one can ever take it seriously for the most part in that regard.
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Re : Can BB players help Cv's
08. 06. 2011 05:45
nunki
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Well, normally I would only fight against fighters/bombers over my team ships if
a) there is no aa ships near by.
b) AA ships seems to fail to do their works
c) AA ships are just overwhelm with the b
Fighter Covering is much as important as scouting, If you have all vision but leave your team exposed
against bombers then you would end up losing quickly. Normally I have to set of fighters one is for scouting
and pushing enemy planes back, another is for covering against incoming bombers.
Anyway, Bomber Whore CV's are not useless in GBII. If they play their game correctly, it would help their
team. Well, most of BW CV would dive their bomber planes straight to any BB and try to bomb them out.
Well, that's wrong tactic in my opinion since BB's are heavily armored If I am BW CV I would take care
those pesky AA ships first
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Re : Can BB players help Cv's
08. 07. 2011 16:56
aingeal
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Originally Posted by joshmon999
See Otto? What a useful post, not necessarily for the OP, but for the many people who might need this advice who read this thread. I feel that if you chose to be an elitist and refuse to assist in the creation and maintenance of a skilled player base, you lose all right to complain about it, as the person he apparently disagreed with had said. You dont vote, then dont complain about politics. I'm not sure how ANYONE could disagree with that statement.
lol. Heatrr post wasn't advice but a sadly accurate summary of what GB play is nowadays. Useful to learn how to be a better CV? No. Explaining why to the OP things are in the curent state? Yes. Often happens I see another BB willingly cutting my way to prevent me from shooting at another BB because it wants the attack. Its not just CVs that play for themselves in GB. Its pretty much beat the blue dots to sinking the red dots. As far as I go, I've been playing this game for a few years now, so I know a lot of people on Kaiser. I know who are good players, some I've been in fleets with at a point or another. We did fleet war and such, and we know each other's playstyle. So encountering those people in GB, we naturally go back to playing as a team as we are used too. If I have an AA ship, I will first and furthermost cover those players, unless of course they are using a non-capital ship, or there is a really really more skilled player in a similar ship on my team. Same can be said with CVs. I know who are the CVs that are adept at their jobs, and who are the CVs that aren't. I know when I have one of the first behind me, I'll relay on him, and him on me. If I need visual. I know he'll do his best to provide it. If a ship threatens him, I,ll gladly fall back and keep him safe at the best of my capabilities, and sometimes get sunk doing it. And I won't mind, and I'd do it again. The other CVs? They I'll stay on the line and let them die. Why should I take risk if they aint useful to the team? If when asked, they do not care? So they can do like they are used too, and fend off for themselves. Lately a good exemple of a 2nd type of player happened. That said player had a CV3 Hiryu. Our south was holding due to me being still there and fighting with a SY. Somewhat, we sunk the flag, but our team wasnt exactly on the good side of the balance for the moment. Not to the point all was lost, but still. Visual was hard to maintain south. Rather than help, I saw my CV rush past me, and get killed. I get sunk shortly after by 3 BB5 I was fighting off blind. On the next room, I see that CV again. When I ask him what happened, he shamelessly claim "lol. I rushed on purpose. Their flag was sunk, and we prolly would have lost anyway" "You are aware I was still fighting south? That it hadn't fell yet?" "I dont care. I wanted my win. team can kma" Still think heatrr is THAT far from the truth of thing concerning some players?
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