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  • IJN Sub Guide

    06. 22. 2011 20:23


GHHalley

Over the next week, I will try to bring the old guide back to life on the new website.  As before, the majority of the information will be on the first reply to limit the length of the initial post on top of every page.

Table of contents:

Page 1 discusses the different subs and basic tactics.

Page 2 of this guide contains several discussions on crew setup and more on tactics.

 Page 3 has a section about the historical context of the subs and more about the SS5.

           Hope you all enjoy. Please reply to add in your own take on tactics.

Skim through all of the posts.  There are some good comments at the end.  I will try to update and organize the info better. 

 

  • Re : IJN Sub Guide

    05. 07. 2012 22:01


GHHalley

On Kaiser right now, Premium sailors are being given out.  I like playing with a Chief Seaman in the gunner slot as he improves both the speed of the sub and the repairing.  Well, when you premiium up a Seaman, ALL of his abilities go up and the +values he adds on.  Its a GREAT upgrade. 

  • Re : IJN Sub Guide

    05. 10. 2012 05:33


CaptBellamy

this one needs to be stickied as well

  • Re : IJN Sub Guide

    05. 11. 2012 07:48


Nihonjin

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  • Re : IJN Sub Guide

    05. 18. 2012 14:15


cpl_stefan

Topic Pinned.

  • Re : IJN Sub Guide

    10. 01. 2012 00:08


anykti

Originally Posted by GHHalley
Some historical notes on the subs. A fun site to visit is: http://www.angelfire.com/in4/baileyhd/NavyField/HEI_GATA.html

The , Junsen, and Kaidai are fairly easy to find on the internet. Wikipedia has some good short articles about Japanese subs.

i believe the Vickers sub is supposed to be the L class of IJN subs. Interestingly, this class was basically the British L Class sub and building was overseen by the Vickers company. Built between 1918-1927, they did see action in WW2. The L4 class saw the most action and had 6 forward torpedo tubes. Some survived the war, but few had any meaningful kills in the war. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Type_L_submarine

The Junsen type was a very successful 2nd class submarine. Designated I-1 to I-8, they had several notable attacks during the war, including the damaging of the USS Saratoga. None of the ships survived the war. Built between 1923 to 1938, they are typical of most IJN submarine classes. Only one or two ships was built of the class and then the design was modified. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junsen_type_submarine

The Kaidai class is also easy to find out about, but is often referred to as KD classes. There were 10 KD-7s built during the war, I-176 to I-185. I-176 had the only known IJN sub to sub kill when it killed the USS Corvina patrolling off of Truk. The Kaidai class was based off of both RN and KM sub designs which IJN acquired after WW1. They were the first of the IJN 1st class submarines. Oops, I see the game uses KD6A's. They are not nearly as interesting. 6 were build and used in the war.

The HEI and Kai-Kou are harder to determine. The HEI-gata was a cargo submarine used by the Japanese to try to transport items between Japan and Germany. See the link at the top of this post about it. I am not sure what ship the Kai-Kou is. There were 20 IJN subs which carried planes. The sub does look something like the I-401 which carried three seaplanes so my gut thinks this is it.

One final note. There are two obvious choices for NF to use for the SS6. One is to equip it with midget submarines (instead of planes like in the SS5). I think this would be a lot of fun, but the game dynamic would have to be worked out. Otherwise the other obvious choice is the Sentaka sub (I-201, 2, and 3) These were extremely fast subs, esp underwater. It would be interesting to finally give the IJN SS player a fast sub.....


HEI is the C-Type/Gata while Kai-Kou is the AM-Type/Gata

  • Re : IJN Sub Guide

    11. 26. 2012 16:25


yamoto2001

During the Second World War, there were 56 submarines larger than 3,000 tons in the entire world, and 52 of these were Japanese.  Japan built 65 submarines with ranges exceeding 20,000 miles at ten knots, while the Allies had no submarine capable of this feat.  By 1945, Japan had built all 39 of the world's diesel-electric submarines with more than 10,000 horsepower, and all 57 of the world's diesel-electric submarines capable of 23+ knots surface speed
                    In fact, Japan built what were by far the largest submarines in the world, indeed, the only submarines over 5,000 tons submerged displacement, or submarines over 400 feet in length until the advent of nuclear power.  These same boats were credited with a range of 37,500 miles at 14 knots, a figure never matched by any other diesel-electric submarine.  These large boats could each carry three floatplane bombers, the only submarines in history so capable.  Japan built 41 submarines that could carry one or more aircraft, while the vast submarine fleets of the United States, Britain, and Germany included not one submarine so capable.


The Japanese navy also built submarines with the fastest underwater speeds of any nation's combat submarines.  They employed 78 midget submarines capable of 18.5 to 19 knots submerged, and built 110 others capable of 16 knots.  As the war was ending they completed four medium-sized submarines capable of 19 knots submerged.  This exceeds the 17.5-knot performance of the famed German Type XXI coming into service at the same time.  As early as 1938, Japan completed the experimental Submarine Number 71, capable of more than 21 knots submerged
                 Japanese submarines employed the best torpedoes available during the Second World War.  The Type 95 torpedo used pure oxygen to burn kerosene, instead of the compressed air and alcohol used in other nation's torpedoes.  This gave them about three times the range of their Allied counterparts, and also reduced their wake, making them harder to notice and avoid.  The Type 95 also had by far the largest warhead of any submarine torpedo, initially 893 pounds (405 kg), increased to 1210 pounds (550 kg) late in the war.  All Japanese torpedoes made during the war used Japanese Type 97 explosive, a mixture of 60% TNT and 40% hexanitrodiphenylamine.  Most importantly, the Type 95 used a simple contact exploder, and was therefore far more reliable than its American counterpart, the Mark 14, until the latter was improved in late-1943.  Japan also developed and used an electric torpedo, the Type 92.  This weapon had modest performance compared to the Type 95, but emitted no exhaust and, therefore, left no wake to reveal its presence.  Similar electric torpedoes were used by several nations
                         Japanese naval doctrine was built around the concept of fighting a single decisive battle, as they had done at Tsushima 40 years earlier.  They thought of their submarines as scouts, whose main role was to locate, shadow, and attack Allied naval task forces.  This approach gave a significant return in 1942 when they sank two fleet carriers, one cruiser, and a few destroyers and other warships, and also damaged two battleships, one fleet carrier (twice), and a cruiser.  However, as Allied intelligence, technologies, methods, and numbers improved, the Japanese submarines were never again able to achieve this frequency of success.  For this reason, many argue that the Japanese submarine force would have been better used against merchant ships, patrolling Allied shipping lanes instead of lurking outside naval bases.  Bagnasco credits the Japanese submarine fleet with sinking 184 merchant ships of 907,000 GRT.  This figure is far less than achieved by the Germans (2,840 ships of 14.3  million GRT), the Americans (1,079 ships of 4.65 million tons), and the British (493 ships of 1.52 million tons).  It seems reasonable that an all-out blitz of the American west coast, the Panama Canal, and the approaches to Hawaii, New Zealand, Australia and India would have caused the Allies more difficulty than did the naval deprivations that were actually achieved.  Losing a significant number of merchant ships, and also needing to spread meager defenses even more thinly along two coasts, would surely have had some substantial consequences for the United States in 1942
                While Japan built many submarines that were larger than those of other Navies, the three Sen Toku boats were far larger than anything ever seen before.  Some 60% larger than the largest contemporary American submarine, USS Argonaut, they had more than twice her range.  The most unusual feature was that they each carried three floatplane bombers (and parts for a fourth), a feat never achieved by any other class of submarine.  These aircraft folded to fit into the 115-foot cylindrical hangar, which was slightly offset to starboard and opened forward to access the catapult.  The huge double hull was formed of parallel cylindrical hulls so that it had a peculiar lazy-eight cross section, and may have inspired the Soviet Typhoon-class built some 40 years later.  Although aircraft must be considered their primary armament, they also carried a formidable torpedo battery and the usual 14cm deck gun.  Anti-aircraft armament included ten 25mm cannons in three triple mounts and one single.  Each of these boats had radar and a snorkel
                                    The aircraft were the Aichi M6A1 Seiran, also carried by the Type AM submarines.  Each of these monoplanes could carry one aerial torpedo or a bomb weighing up to 800kg.  Powered by the 1,400hp Atsuta 32 engine (similar to Germany's DB601) they had a top speed of 295mph and were credited with a range of 642 nautical miles.  The Sen Toku submarines carried four aerial torpedoes, three 800kg bombs, and twelve 250kg bombs to arm these aircraft.  These aircraft had their assembly points coated with fluorescent paint to ease assembly in the dark, so four trained men could prepare an aircraft for launch in seven minutes.  All three aircraft could be prepared, armed, and launched in 45 minutes
                                To finish my book [sorry],the I-400 [i belive] was sent to attack the panama cana

  • Re : IJN Sub Guide

    12. 28. 2012 22:00


GHHalley

Yamoto2001 -- that is an INCREDIBLE report.  I learned a ton.

Some other points.  The American vs Japanese construction and manning philosophies were significantly different (not just in subs, but across the fleets).

The Japanese were constantly "improving" or changing their ship designs.  I don't think they made more than 7 subs of any class and were more likely to create only 2-4.  In contrast, the Americans made 77 Gatos and then 122 Balao's (which had only slight internal differences).   In one class of subs, the Americans outbuilt the entire IJN sub fleet x2.  This is the real reason for the sub suffication of the Japanese isles -- they just had the numbers to keep a constant presence in the shipping lanes and ports.   

In the Japanese navy the vast majority of the technical knowledge remained in the officer class, while in the US navy the senior enlisted were the key technical gatekeepers.  This was partially due to the vast variety of ships.  In the US navy, a seaman who learned the systems on one Gato could be moved easily to another ship.  In the Japanese, a move to another ship required significant retraining.  Thus the greater educated officer corp who had the time to learn the intricacies of the ships was the logical solution.  Unfortunately, this also limited the Japanese navy in crew management.  Most critically, in battle, there are many cases where key officers were killed and entire ships were lost or significantly crippled because the repairs could not be done. 

 
Another interesting side point.  The Japanese sub which could maintain 21 knots underwater had an exterior which was completly welded to reduce drag.
  Personally, I am hoping that this sub will be the IJN SS6!

  • Re : IJN Sub Guide

    01. 04. 2013 22:56


JJHalley

IJN subs have the longest air capacity of any of the nations, I believe.  Helps with the slow speed.

  • Re : IJN Sub Guide

    01. 07. 2013 23:57


x_qv_y

Nice guide.


Topic has been pinned.  

  • Re : IJN Sub Guide

    01. 08. 2013 20:58


GHHalley

Thank you

But its only as good as the posts and questions.  Please keep posting and replying everyone.  Its cool to get the historical information!  Also the game play changes over time so new posts are always welcome. 

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