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  • KM H44 more nerfed?, No !!! finally a solution !!!!

    05. 08. 2012 11:18


Mezak76

I read in a test server discussion that KM guns for H44 will possible change... for worst, or maybe I´m reading wrong.

I mean, read that will have lower angles, lower damage, more shell weight.

I post this to for all KM comunity to be warning, because maybe i´m understanding in a wrong way, or KM will not have the range advantage any more.

If there is anyone that can  see this post and give us all some good news would be great.
here is the link.
https://fm.en.navyfield.com/Community/Forum/View.aspx?num=8764&searchtype=0&pagecount=0&searchvalue=&sort=5&category=C03&page1=1  

EDIT:
After read all information available about this topic I decided to change the subject of this post, because it can generate some kind of alarm in KM players.
Thanks to Richard for all the effort and time that he is investing in solve the damage problems that H44 really have.
I hope to try the new guns in live server soon.

 

  • Re : KM H44 more nerfed?, No !!! finally a solution !!!!

    07. 06. 2012 08:16


V2CxBongRipz

Originally Posted by DKpimp

V2CxBongRipz. Every ship have been nerfed through the time. Beta BB's could freakin shoot from right end to left end. (Over dramatic just to get the picture) H44/H39's was at one point much faster than the L2, but the general speed nerf (cap nerf) took care of that. Unless my overvetted elite crew have been failing me all that time! (First UK crew was 1 Elite Potential BO, 2 Elite Accuracy Gunners, 6 Elite Engineers, 2 Elite Repairs and 2 +13 Engineer Seamen. All with 250+ Veterans.)

 

 

Beta = an unfinished product. You should understand that if you've ever played any other games in their beta trials.

 

Originally Posted by DKpimp

Edit: Didn't claim anything on OH, but to me it seems the recharge (regeneration) time on KM what is supposed to be better than the other nations are not as good as I remember it to be from my old account.

 

Like I said OH recharge time is a fixed 1:1 value for everything. The longer you overheat the longer it takes to recharge.

KM's advantage is better engineers. All engineer ability does once you are speedcapped is add to overheat time. Longer overheat time means it takes longer to fully recharge your overheat. Not rocket science.

  • Re : KM H44 more nerfed?, No !!! finally a solution !!!!

    07. 07. 2012 16:04


Mezak76

Longer OH time do not help KM ships, like H44 to avoid enemy shell
H44 still slower that L2 and Monty (i remember those two right now), same practical range as L2 and other issues. 

  • Re : KM H44 more nerfed?, No !!! finally a solution !!!!

    07. 07. 2012 17:54


V2CxBongRipz

Originally Posted by Mezak76

Longer OH time do not help KM ships, like H44 to avoid enemy shell
H44 still slower that L2 and Monty (i remember those two right now), same practical range as L2 and other issues. 

 

You dont run away in straight lines and both L2 and Monty have longer hang times.

  • Re : KM H44 more nerfed?, No !!! finally a solution !!!!

    07. 07. 2012 23:47


richardphat

H44 should not have any problem dealing a monty. The H44 must really screwed up in order to be killed by a monty.

  • Re : KM H44 more nerfed?, No !!! finally a NO solution !!!!

    09. 15. 2012 19:45


Mezak76

I tried ... again H44.

Guns are better, I agree, but in average compared to ohter BB5 i still the worst.

 I don´t know what others KM players said about this ship, and I like to hear other judgments about this bad ship.

I consider bad because:

Had a (very very relative) range advantage
DMG is beter, but still under others
Protection is ....... too bad to describe it
Speed.... every ship beats it.

Maybe I have to improve my engineers, reps, or gunners, I don´t know. All I know is that I have a BB2 Italian and it can hold better DMG.

...or only I have a bad day. 

  • Re : KM H44 more nerfed?, No !!! finally a solution !!!!

    09. 15. 2012 23:02


hiroito

Originally Posted by Mezak76

I tried ... again H44.

Guns are better, I agree, but in average compared to ohter BB5 i still the worst.

 I don´t know what others KM players said about this ship, and I like to hear other judgments about this bad ship.

I consider bad because:

Had a (very very relative) range advantage
DMG is beter, but still under others
Protection is ....... too bad to describe it
Speed.... every ship beats it.

Maybe I have to improve my engineers, reps, or gunners, I don´t know. All I know is that I have a BB2 Italian and it can hold better DMG.

...or only I have a bad day. 



The new guns are way better, it is certainly an improvement over the H39. While you can't really rush and fictory your way around, it has become a great Line ship that plays a little bit more on the defensive side, I acknowledge that the speed is crap (Or at least it is for me, going 37 Knots OH with no armor but full AA battery, although I am pretty ure it hass more to do with my engineers than with the ship since the Speed cap for this ship with 5 average engineers is lvl 110).

Anyways, I've only been sunk in these situations:
A- I tried to attack a ship and didn't notice that Monty aiming his/her guns at me.
B- While on a fight agains a ship, ran out of OH.
C- Got rushe by a 2 or 3 BBs while holding south myself (this happens when my teams is alredy loosing so it is something expected).
D-got lag.
E- Was Microing my Scout while fighting agains a ship and by mistake ordered my ship to go to the position of the enemy (Reckless rushing).

The range advantage is noticeable, I've been able to dodge Lion 2 shots pretty easily, and anything with a range bellow that is pretty much food in a 1 vs 1 fight if they don't rush. 

  • Re : KM H44 more nerfed?, No !!! finally a solution !!!!

    09. 15. 2012 23:22


hiroito

Regarding the practical range issue... It is not the same, remember that as V2C said, L2, SY, Monty, Soyuz, and the Alsace have longer hang times. I believe the only ship with a lower hangtime than KM are the RM ships, but the range for those (at least from my experience) it's somewhere between Alsace and the Monty, maybe less than monty.

What does this means for you as an H44 driver? It means you can zoom in, fire (please, AIM), and just make an extreme turn towards the opposite direction of your enemy, Oh and when you finally see those shells coming, do the apropiate manouevers so that you can avoid those shells if it is required, but at this point just an slight turn will make the shells land really close to you but not OVER you (Kudos for pissing your opponent by doing this and gradually making them loose their patience and making them Rush).

I'm no pro at playing KM (Hell, my win rate is 49%), But I can tell you that the H44 is certainly an improvement over the H39, I am able to pull at least 70k damage on this ship per game and on a winning game I can do over 100k damage to the enemy, those numbers were a Great Game on the H39.

True, your ship is made of paper, you fire flowers and good intentions (Although since the fix for the guns, those flowers are now more consistent on the damage you do, which means you can bury your opponent with your demostration of love and care faster), and 39 Knots at OH make this ship seem like a downgrade to most people that play it when they can go at 42 knots, no armor, no anything just the crew and guns on the H39 and dodge shells more easily. But the true is that this ship is pretty much how KM is meant to be played, and I am pretty sure that if you fail repetively against Montys and Super Yammis on this ship, then you must give your play style a real hard look and ask yourself "Am I really playing KM how it is supposed to be played?".

TL;DR This ship HAS a range Advantage, learn to use it and learn to pick u your engagements. A Lonely Monty cruising the strip for some harlots? = Food. An Alsace trying to approach you? = Food. A Lion 2 with no teammates relativately close to his possition to support him? = Food.

I don't claim that I can pull everything I have posted here 100% of the time, but I can certainly notice the range advantage and the new damage consistency and use them on my favour. 

  • Re : KM H44 more nerfed?, No !!! finally a solution !!!!

    09. 16. 2012 00:36


phantom3553

Originally Posted by hiroito





Anyways, I've only been sunk in these situations:
A- I tried to attack a ship and didn't notice that Monty aiming his/her guns at me.
B- While on a fight agains a ship, ran out of OH.
C- Got rushe by a 2 or 3 BBs while holding south myself (this happens when my teams is alredy loosing so it is something expected).
D-got lag.
E- Was Microing my Scout while fighting agains a ship and by mistake ordered my ship to go to the position of the enemy (Reckless rushing).

[/QUOTE]

most common mistake of some H44 drivers:D, and always common to be is E darn it :D

  • Re : KM H44 more nerfed?, No !!! finally a solution !!!!

    09. 16. 2012 05:05


McTass

Originally Posted by hiroito

Regarding the practical range issue... It is not the same, remember that as V2C said, L2, SY, Monty, Soyuz, and the Alsace have longer hang times. I believe the only ship with a lower hangtime than KM are the RM ships, but the range for those (at least from my experience) it's somewhere between Alsace and the Monty, maybe less than monty.

What does this means for you as an H44 driver? It means you can zoom in, fire (please, AIM), and just make an extreme turn towards the opposite direction of your enemy, Oh and when you finally see those shells coming, do the apropiate manouevers so that you can avoid those shells if it is required, but at this point just an slight turn will make the shells land really close to you but not OVER you (Kudos for pissing your opponent by doing this and gradually making them loose their patience and making them Rush).

I'm no pro at playing KM (Hell, my win rate is 49%), But I can tell you that the H44 is certainly an improvement over the H39, I am able to pull at least 70k damage on this ship per game and on a winning game I can do over 100k damage to the enemy, those numbers were a Great Game on the H39.

True, your ship is made of paper, you fire flowers and good intentions (Although since the fix for the guns, those flowers are now more consistent on the damage you do, which means you can bury your opponent with your demostration of love and care faster), and 39 Knots at OH make this ship seem like a downgrade to most people that play it when they can go at 42 knots, no armor, no anything just the crew and guns on the H39 and dodge shells more easily. But the true is that this ship is pretty much how KM is meant to be played, and I am pretty sure that if you fail repetively against Montys and Super Yammis on this ship, then you must give your play style a real hard look and ask yourself "Am I really playing KM how it is supposed to be played?".

TL;DR This ship HAS a range Advantage, learn to use it and learn to pick u your engagements. A Lonely Monty cruising the strip for some harlots? = Food. An Alsace trying to approach you? = Food. A Lion 2 with no teammates relativately close to his possition to support him? = Food.

I don't claim that I can pull everything I have posted here 100% of the time, but I can certainly notice the range advantage and the new damage consistency and use them on my favour. 

The problem is with a L2 you pull at least 120k every game. While as you stated with h44 it's more frequent to get 70-100k. The problem is that h44 can hold the line but can't really rush and doesent have enough hitting power for sink 2-3 rushers. so if you re winning there will be a teammate rushing faster than you, and if youre loosing youll just sink 1 of the 2-3-4 bbs rushing you, maybe blind... and less dmg = less xp.
For the range, you forgot that enemys can sling at you back, a 2 turrets speedwhore L2 (that have 1.5 dot less range but a smaller hitbox too) slinging with only the front guns will sink you easily. h44 is a good ship, now even better, but still cant stand a chance against some ships (with equal skill players)

  • Re : KM H44 more nerfed?, No !!! finally a solution !!!!

    09. 18. 2012 06:40


flaggelant

my biggest fear in the H44 are the rushing BB3/4's
since its pretty much impossible to oneshot anything without a oneshot in KM (excluding crit hits), and you can't take 2 hits without worrying for your ship.  

in the H39 at least you have a decent speed, but the H44 is to slow to respond to a rush.

i still prefer playing the '39 over my H44 

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