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  • Classing fighters.

    07. 24. 2014 01:56


gregory2307

Hello i was reading some  discussions about  classing pilots to fighters and then stop classing to the end but some other people said that now after some patches  better is class them normal on time.  So how  it really looks now? Thanks for any answers.

 

  • Re : Classing fighters.

    07. 24. 2014 02:17


EricIdle

Sigh.

Not again.

The current mechanics for fighters have been in place since the big CV patch of 2009.

  • Re : Classing fighters.

    07. 24. 2014 03:24


andykorso_eu

before the patch that u mention the survival of planes (like dodging enemy burst) on scouts/fighter/bomber was moustly based on their pilot's bomber stat. The attck value was for succesfull shoting. The promotions on fighter grid had major penalties for bomber stat. After that patch for each type of planes - works only their own abilities.

That is the first reason why in past the fighters was lateclassed. Now it's not actual anymore.

The second reason for lateclassing pilots was their total crew max size (rookies/exp/vets). In our case with each promotion on fighter grid u lose significant amount of rookies surplus per level.
The classed in-time fighter pilot at 120 lvl will have 545 total crew size. 40% of it will be 218 (the maximum number of veterans for this pilot). 
Some guys use delay on last classing to get more veterans due to maximum of 40% from total crew size (and the rest filled with experts).

For example the last classing to "fghtr sq leader" will add +2 on attck per lvl while losing +5 rokies/lvl.
If we remember some nations have national bonuses on fighter ability from start while other nations haven't them. That is same +2 atck per lvl so somebody can use it to have bigger crew.

Before judging what i worte - remeber: on ALL sailor trees their stats are working only with experts/veterans (40 experts works as 10 veterans). Rookies adds nothing but penalty if the crew is not complete. 
(EX:Having 300 officers(and full experts) on +12(base stat) sailor will be much better than 150 officers/full experts at +14 base stat one in case if they was leveled equally. What will be if they both have +14 base stats in the case with the handicap on veterans is easy to assume. That is not for pilots but fo all sailors. It is pure mathematic part of the game while the rest depends of player.

At CV the math is much worthy than on BB because when fighters meet with enemy ones-somebody have to fall, who it will be only NF knows.  

 

  • Re : Classing fighters.

    07. 24. 2014 03:43


SovetskySoy

Following andykorso's explaination, let's assume that there are two same base fighters +12. One only classed to fighters, the other classed as normal. If you burn them both to the maximum vets number and fullfill the rest of experts. The delay-classed fighter get more true fight abilitiy. 

But there are two points may need to be considered. Some people indicates that the fighter ability do have a cap on 4400k. In this case, normal classed fighters do not need to burn as much as experts than delay-classed fighter to cap the ability. However, some people do believe there are no cap for fighters. They want to put the as much as vets on a fighter possible.


In this case, burn more experts do require more investagation on money or time. Therefore, all the decsions depend on players. 

  • Re : Classing fighters.

    07. 24. 2014 05:25


Bangem

There are many different theories about whether to class a Fighter pilot up to Sq Ldr or leave them as Fighter pilot only.

This topic has been covered many times on countless threads on this site; but if you intend to max-out the experts and vets you have a much larger crew if you leave them classed as Fighter-only  up to Lvl 120.

 

 

Only NF (might) know whether to class a fighter up to a SQ Ldr, or not, but if they do know, they are not telling anyone... so the final decision must be yours and yours alone m8

  • Re : Classing fighters.

    07. 24. 2014 06:10


EricIdle

Originally Posted by Bangem
...

No.

The only thing that is not known yet is whether there is a fighter cap or not.

Fighter classing is very clear: NEVER class to Sqd Ldr. Whether to class Ace or leave at Fighter depends on the vets that you are prepared to put on (there's not a huge difference). I refer you to the posts in "tips and tactic".

  • Re : Classing fighters.

    07. 24. 2014 07:28


mako089

Originally Posted by Bangem

There are many different theories about whether to class a Fighter pilot up to Sq Ldr or leave them as Fighter pilot only.



It's not theory, it's math.
I think Eric has summed it up reasonably well. 

  • Re : Classing fighters.

    07. 24. 2014 08:44


Sanguedolc3

Im kind of glad someone brought this topic up to date, because I just came back to NF and didnt know to much about what updates in the game are going on. These are both +12 UK fighters. Now I was going to leave them as just fighters but i didnt know how many vets i would be able to put on them plus dont have the $$ to do anything with them at the moment. I kind of put them off since the last event we had. Was it a good move classing them ace for UK and how many experts and vets could i get on these guys. Thanks

  • Re : Classing fighters.

    07. 24. 2014 09:19


EricIdle

Originally Posted by Sanguedolc3
how many experts and vets could i get on these guys. Thanks

Employ the "fofo method"?

OK, allright: 50 levels (from 70 to 120) * 4 crew per level (that ace fighter gives) => 590 crew max.

590 * 0.4 = 236 vets max.

Rest experts, obviously.

The question is: are you prepared to spend the dosh for getting 230 vets on the fighters? If not, all of this is "academic".

To make you learn a little, you can calculate yourself how much max crew your fighters could have had at 120 if you had left them on the "fighter" classing. A "fighter" classed pilot increases crew by 5 (ignore andykorso's gobbledygook, he has it wrong).

  • Re : Classing fighters.

    07. 24. 2014 10:06


whuvir888

Pls check this:

KM fighter, ace, sqr leader, lvl 120, base +12 Figher, boost
- number of vets in column (the rest experts)
- the 3rd row is for max vetted pilots (40% vets, rest experts)

 sailors vets ability true ab (millions)
---------------------------------------------
FTR 650 100 3481 = 3,31
FTR 650 200 3481 = 4,35
FTR 650 260 3481 = 4,98
---------------------------------------------
ACE 590 100 3700 = 3,29
ACE 590 200 3700 = 4,40
ACE 590 236 3700 = 4,80
---------------------------------------------
SQL 545 100 3810 = 3,22
SQL 545 200 3810 = 4,36
SQL 545 218 3810 = 4,57
---------------------------------------------


Conclusion is up to you.

 

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Sorry for forgetting the name of the author.  I believe this is what you want to know.

Simply, the conclusion is never leveling your fighters to ace /sq until lvl120. As many ppl say, it will maxim your sailors and give you the chance to gain the maxi number of veterans which you even dont need.

 

 

 

 

 

  • Re : Classing fighters.

    07. 24. 2014 11:31


bamaman
The most important thing to remember is that if you class a rookie pilot to fighter it cannot drop bombs.

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