If you see or get hit by a Sub. I think you would be running for your life as mostly you wouldn't dare stay around and let the SS Kill you. Since SS6s and SS5s arent out yet. The SS3-4 mostly should keep the power of killing BB6s and below because They dont have their lvl 120 Class Ship. IJN is truly a good Sub nation but they have alot of duds that can be countered with splash damage but doesnt really give them the Full advantage if they hit you with the Torp in Point blank.

And tell me how fair it is that BBs With standard B/V/E Gunners have 2-6 Second reloads(depending on the stats of your gunners) And Subs have I believe have Twice if not 3 times the amount of time to reload. Unless you really maxed out your torpers you wouldn't get even close to the Rld of BBs. BBs weapons are Deck guns with Amazing Firepower so why shouldn't subs have the Power of torps?
Even you know with BB3s and up 2-3 Salvos from your Ship Could kill anything except for maybe a BB6. A sub needs more than 1salvo most of the time unless their BBs helped out bringing the BB down.

Well, they do. Each other. Similar to how CVs counter each other and BBs counter each other.

Then you also have asymmetrical counters. What I mean by that is a low-level ship that can defeat or frustrate a high-level ship: low level AA ships countering CVs, low level ASWs countering SSs (or they would be, if it was incentivized properly), and comparatively-low level subs countering battleships. The difference is two of these are a means to an end (AA/ASW en route to CV/BB/SS line), and the other is the whole point of the ship tree (SS). It's unfair to BBs to be the only ones that have a whole shipline dedicated to asymmetrically countering them, and it's unfair to SSs and CVs that spent months building their crew to be countered effectively by someone who's been playing for two days.

In the interest of fairness, all three asymmetrical relationships would ideally be equally effective (with respect to ship levels) and equally common (relative to the ships they counter). Now I think it's good to have AA and ASW available for ships that are too low-level to do anything else (besides wandering into a BB's range). But I would love to see AA and ASW receive higher level ship options, ideally as a separate path or two on the ship tree. It would add more choice to the game and it would become much easier to balance ships based on level first--you wouldn't need to let level 12 ASW demolish sub after sub if there's going to be level 70 ASW ships. However, that's a very high-level design choice, and it would take much time and money to implement.

On the other hand, we don't need a perfect solution, and I think the sub discussions so far have come up with some pretty good short-term fixes to bring things closer to fair by just adjusting numbers.



Edit: I realize I disregarded bombers and SS v. CV / BB v. CV encounters in my discussion. Bombers tend to play a smaller role in GBs though, and usually when an SS or BB is engaging a CV, it's after a BB line has failed, at which point all bets are off.

This is the definition of stupid.

What is wrong with using a "feature" that is available to all other players? And what in the world does an SS4 have to do with smoke versus SS1, SS2 or SS3? Nothing. Smoke can be used by every player who has any available, anytime (except submerged SS). Besides, popping a smoke provides zero protection, other than masking your location from the main screen for about 10 seconds (mini-map still exposes red dot)..

The rest of your arguments are ridiculous repeats of nonsense.

As for L12 DD sinking L74 SS. So what. I do that all the time in my FFY. I also don't complain when sunk by a L12 FF or DD. That's just the way things are. But the level of the ship has nothing to do with anything other than BO level to operate it. Such nonsensical arguments are the rue of the day around here.

If it takes 1 torp to sink an FF and it takes 24 torps to sink a BB6...
What is the difference between an FF and a BB6?

Answer: 23 torpedoes.

Sub small size and submergence makes it that you only have 2 shot to get them. If they pop a smoke its one thing. For other ship, once the smoke clear, they are still vulnerable. Not SS.


I'd appreciate you do not cut a quote trying to ignore the rest of the post. The line after is also related to it, and you ignored it.


While we are at it, I shall also declare all your arguments non-sense without bringing any backup about why they are.




read again.

Sorry for any misplaced animosity. You deserve better next time.