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  • KM BB?

    06. 24. 2012 11:00


jjws

I've been thinking about getting a 2nd BB line and KM is on my list but I'm kind of hesitant due to  things i heard and experienced about KM BBs. Is it worth getting one of these?

(plz say more than just yes or no)

 

  • Re : KM BB?

    06. 28. 2012 10:05


Mezak76

Originally Posted by McTass

Originally Posted by aingeal

As far as H44 goes, the ship is very fine as it is. The issue has never been the ship, but players expecting a mile range advantage while its truly not only that.

 

a bb5 that can do 20k for a full salvo it's fine? o.O

a bb5 that can see his shells bounced at max angle by a KGV it's fine?

clearly not.

people is expecting range because KM is the range nation and all other tiers have almost next tier range. h44 range can then be consired an issue.

for example a h44 vs a 2 turrets speed L2 doesen't stand a single chance, assuming equal skill of the player this L2 can semi-sling with the only front guns that are off the centre like the h44 front, at a far higher speed, and still hitting harder. the 1.5 dot diadvantage is negated by the slim profile. this battle will results in L2 pushing h44 to the border and win if they are both well skilled, if not the L2 will just rush and win.

not to take in consideration that h44 has the worst spread...

A skilled h44 player wins because there's lots of noobs in bb5 in GB. But put an equal skilled player on an another BB5, you will se the result. at the moment h44 have a lot more disadvantages than advantages.

I also wrote about experience gain and credits. why a bb5 should have far less than other bb5?

No, this ship is not fine as it is.

 



I could not agree more with your concepts. Read Richard work about modification and toher nations forums. Actual DMG for BB5 tiers goes up to almost 60/70K (Montana), and H44 (according with information found in forum) is ...12- 16K.
Add this ridiculus DMG to the 1,5 dot range advantage, medium to low damage resistance (even some BB3 can sink H44 with well placed salvos), lower speed related to other BB5 and the result is clear:
Is not fine at all.

Any meduim skill player that have other nation BB5 attack a H44 without any concern. Not need to have the same skill.

  • Re : KM BB?

    06. 28. 2012 10:16


Mezak76

Originally Posted by phantom3553

 

@mezak

 

km AD is not that bad, i always got 90k-140k attack when i still used it before

 

it got nice turn rate which make AD easier to dodge incoming shells

fast reload enemy shoot once but you already shot them twice

semi block guns

small hitbox

it got nice speed i used to have 40 knts but my sailor gone fat now its 39 rofl

 

 



Hi Phantom;

I love my AD, is one of best ships in KM line and usually deal DMG from 80K. I didn´t reach 140 yet, but was near to it ;).
The point is that started a new crew when get tired of H44 weakness, and choose RN to see what happens.
I win some olive in last event and get the PBB RN and found that what I mention: Have the same attack with both ships but recieve much more EXP in RN ship.

I still wondering ... why?. I hope someday find the answer and share with my KM fellows. 

  • Re : KM BB?

    06. 28. 2012 10:41


Sonlirain

1 - Most KM BBs are a waste of a BB slot and crew that could have been of a different nationality instead.

2 - Shell caliber seems to have something to do woth experience gain (with larger guns giving more exp). 

3 - I'm a bad BB player but H44 is the only BB i rush straightlining because i know that with its terrible spread and damage it can't do a THING unless you muck about his max range like a duck for 5 minutes, rush and completely miss 5 salvos in a row or rush into a montana you didn't see.

  • Re : KM BB?

    06. 28. 2012 14:55


pincuishin2

while it has many faults km is a great line while it hits very weak if you do it right you can get sweet hits a normal salvo does from 20 to 40k depending on their armor in h44 but youve got 2 kinds of guns the 18" which are heavy hitters but slightly less range and longer reload tho better spread slinger are harder with these the 16.5s are personaly great more range quiker reload and slinger can be easy with these i would recommend going bizzy line aswell tho O pro has more speed and i think slightly more range

 

  • Re : KM BB?

    06. 28. 2012 17:02


NIborGER
My advice: get km if u are good or want to become. Since its the h44 is the ship in question here i will tell u something as a km bb6 owner: - the dmg output is inconsistent yes but not as worse as some say here. It goes from 30k to 43k so with 2 well placed shots any bb5 is head. - yes when there is any aw ship u have to switch to ap. Someone mentioned a aw kgv. My thought: getting killed by a kgv when having much more range and time to switch to ap gets killed he deserved it. - in h44 u can score as well as in any other bb5. I did 350k games in h44 like i did in monty and rm bb5. -"db-issue": lol! I play db only cvs sometimes and i have to say: h44 is my last target because tge km40 aa kills dbs wIth ease. - range: yes on paper there is just 1.5 dotsmore butbe happy the h44 is so damn long an l2 so short. I keyword slingshotting.. Look in the slingshotting threads...

  • Re : KM BB?

    06. 28. 2012 18:12


DKpimp

Originally Posted by NIborGER
My advice: get km if u are good or want to become. Since its the h44 is the ship in question here i will tell u something as a km bb6 owner: - the dmg output is inconsistent yes but not as worse as some say here. It goes from 30k to 43k so with 2 well placed shots any bb5 is head. - yes when there is any aw ship u have to switch to ap. Someone mentioned a aw kgv. My thought: getting killed by a kgv when having much more range and time to switch to ap gets killed he deserved it. - in h44 u can score as well as in any other bb5. I did 350k games in h44 like i did in monty and rm bb5. -"db-issue": lol! I play db only cvs sometimes and i have to say: h44 is my last target because tge km40 aa kills dbs wIth ease. - range: yes on paper there is just 1.5 dotsmore butbe happy the h44 is so damn long an l2 so short. I keyword slingshotting.. Look in the slingshotting threads...

Inconsistency are about 15 times worse than you describe on a H44 as people was talking about. AP bullets are almost half of any other BB5/6 capability. AW KGV shouldn't be so hard no, even with HE. AW L2 however... Not to mention speeds. Slingshooting can also be a disadvantage as you use the ''wrong energy'' to do so. L2 turn force are good so nine out of ten times you should be able to dodge H44 slings with the right skills. Never lost any advantage in my L2. Lost them again and again and again in H44 since it's über nerfed. The low exp gain even for a 200K+ game are redicules.

Also... If you choose not to DB a H44 because of the AA, only shows your the max altitude noob. The AA are good granted but not epic. Where IJN and MN can shoot you down just as easy, but much further. Sadly does the 350K game nothing to the H44. Only to the other players.

:Edit:

And by any chance I rather get a full hit from an L2 than a Monty that got more range and power.

  • Re : KM BB?

    06. 29. 2012 00:32


aingeal

Originally Posted by McTass

Originally Posted by aingeal

As far as H44 goes, the ship is very fine as it is. The issue has never been the ship, but players expecting a mile range advantage while its truly not only that.

 

a bb5 that can do 20k for a full salvo it's fine? o.O

a bb5 that can see his shells bounced at max angle by a KGV it's fine?

clearly not.

people is expecting range because KM is the range nation and all other tiers have almost next tier range. h44 range can then be consired an issue.

for example a h44 vs a 2 turrets speed L2 doesen't stand a single chance, assuming equal skill of the player this L2 can semi-sling with the only front guns that are off the centre like the h44 front, at a far higher speed, and still hitting harder. the 1.5 dot diadvantage is negated by the slim profile. this battle will results in L2 pushing h44 to the border and win if they are both well skilled, if not the L2 will just rush and win.

not to take in consideration that h44 has the worst spread...

A skilled h44 player wins because there's lots of noobs in bb5 in GB. But put an equal skilled player on an another BB5, you will se the result. at the moment h44 have a lot more disadvantages than advantages.

I also wrote about experience gain and credits. why a bb5 should have far less than other bb5?

No, this ship is not fine as it is.

 

1st - H44 salvo damage is around 37k. Reliable also, as far as the 16,5 go, and those are the guns I use.

 

2nd - L2, 2 gun SW goes 40 knot. I suggest you look up "far higher" in a dictionnary ASAP

 

3rd - the H44 spread is perhaps the best out of the box of at all the BB5, safe the soyuz. It stays very tight, and its incredibly easy to full salvo a ship if you are slightly good at aiming. At any rate "worse" spread is far from applying here. I suggest you try an alsace or an L2 at level 105 or so.

 

4th - the experience is actually very fine. I tended to have more xp/ attack point with my H44 than I did with monty.

 

5th - a skilled H44 players can win against any other BB5, especially SY, Soyuz and monties. A good alsace can be a bit bothersome, but again is dealt with easily enough. L2 is a bit harder, its a very good BB5, but in no way it can hold a line better than you.

 

 

The sole problems that remain to be fixed are the shell inconsitency that does happens sometimes (altough not enough to ruin all your games) and the fact that YES AP doesnt work very well, and AW L2 can be long to kill. Main issue isn't killing one, but if you encounter more than 1 in your game, chance are you'll run out of AP with one bind.

 

Thats what richard is working on, nothing else.

  • Re : KM BB?

    06. 29. 2012 09:59


Mezak76

H44 have the best spread?. have the best hit box?
The range chart that if on NF forum shows other reality.


This shows that H44 has the worst spread and large hitbox.
The information it´s a little old but for what a see in GBs still valid.

  • Re : KM BB?

    06. 30. 2012 10:43


richardphat

H44 spread is epic. That pictures shows it. A worse BB5 spread would be similar to H39 and Vanguard.

  • Re : KM BB?

    06. 30. 2012 19:39


the_slasher

NO.   I have an elite km lvl 102 h39.  its just not worth the grind.  maybe if they were  smaller ships and had harder hitting guns and stronger lower lvl ships it be worth it.

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