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  • KM EBB4.5 J39 CRUISE at 22/37 for normal setup

    10. 03. 2013 00:47


johnichus

It is stupid that making a slow ship without much armor and bulge nowadays.
The engine capacity is 285 as same as H39/H41.
Why it cannot even run like a H44 23/39!?? 
 
I am angry and sad when i saw the speed of the new RN eBB  Vanguard 1946 is 25/42.

 

  • Re : KM EBB4.5 J39 CRUISE at 22/37 for normal setup

    10. 03. 2013 16:08


ubootwaffe99

Originally Posted by Benser33

Because its guns are unique variants of the H44 guns, meaning it has BB5 range and damage.



To correct you means you got more damage , range stay the same as h39/h41 have same range like h44 with light shells

  • Re : KM EBB4.5 J39 CRUISE at 22/37 for normal setup

    10. 03. 2013 16:21


ubootwaffe99

Why J39 and other new BB 4.5 have only 7support slots whean H41 have 8support even Opro EBB have 8support spots
Ok its slow beacause of bb5 must stay beter , but why 7support spots? test team and mods alwayes saying EBBs are for lvling why no in this case

And i saw structure strenght i dont know how much difrence that have but J39 have 100,h41 160,h44 161 and h39 100 Is that mean h41 is stronger ship than j39 (can take more hits)? 

  • Re : KM EBB4.5 J39 CRUISE at 22/37 for normal setup

    10. 03. 2013 16:47


nyerkovic

Originally Posted by ubootwaffe99

To correct you means you got more damage , range stay the same as h39/h41 have same range like h44 with light shells

Don't correct with wrong information please.
J39 is the only ship with equal range than the H44. H39 and H41 have lower range.

Originally Posted by ubootwaffe99

Why J39 and other new BB 4.5 have only 7support slots whean H41 have 8support even Opro EBB have 8support spots
Ok its slow beacause of bb5 must stay beter , but why 7support spots? test team and mods alwayes saying EBBs are for lvling why no in this case

And i saw structure strenght i dont know how much difrence that have but J39 have 100,h41 160,h44 161 and h39 100 Is that mean h41 is stronger ship than j39 (can take more hits)? 



All those questions are answered in the explanation thread.

  • Re : KM EBB4.5 J39 CRUISE at 22/37 for normal setup

    10. 03. 2013 17:55


johnichus

Originally Posted by nyerkovic

It is not in an ideal case, it is in a regular gameplay environment and you will see most skilled KM players doing it regularly.

Blinding is also easy, even in GB. 

You either balance for all the regular team game modes or you balance for GB, you can't have both. A ship is either good in a team play or good in GB for you to play alone, they are 2 completely different environments. I already said that KM does not excel in GB, it is not the nation's environment. As an example, the QV excels in gb, but a bb room is not the perfect environment for it which is why you don't see many of them in a serious HA battle.
 
Where KM excels is in a BB room and you have just said it is ok there. 

Every ship can slingshot, but not every ship can do it successfuly. Gun placements, ranges and overall hull is a very important factor. KM has that, others don't.

 

I'm happy that u keep replying me and tell me the alternatives of my views.

For normal players, GB is the main gameplay in this game as it is interesting and competitive environment as all players fight for their attacks to get good exp.
BB room is just few during event. No event then No BB room

In GB, much more issue hv to be faced such as SS, planes, BBs from dark area.
GB is a place where small ships could do sth for the team like AA, AS, scouting, etc. 
Blinding in GB is depending on the situation.
(SS FF is a scout, everyship could be a scout, i hv tried to use a ff for scouting under a big cloud and make the em bbs confusing. ;-)  The km AA is good to kill approaching fighters/scouts/bombers but not skillful scout user.) 

Slingshot is tricky here. Size, turning speed, range, shooting angle, reload are the matters.  The setting of km is good for slingshoting but small RM BBs work much better when both ships are in range.

I'm not asking for a oped J39. I just wana get a fair EBB4.5.

  • Re : KM EBB4.5 J39 CRUISE at 22/37 for normal setup

    10. 03. 2013 21:17


nyerkovic

Originally Posted by johnichus

I'm happy that u keep replying me and tell me the alternatives of my views.


For normal players, GB is the main gameplay in this game as it is interesting and competitive environment as all players fight for their attacks to get good exp.
BB room is just few during event. No event then No BB room

In GB, much more issue hv to be faced such as SS, planes, BBs from dark area.
GB is a place where small ships could do sth for the team like AA, AS, scouting, etc. 
Blinding in GB is depending on the situation.
(SS FF is a scout, everyship could be a scout, i hv tried to use a ff for scouting under a big cloud and make the em bbs confusing. ;-)  The km AA is good to kill approaching fighters/scouts/bombers but not skillful scout user.) 


I will always keep replying as long as there is stuff to reply.

Yes, GB is the most played game mode, but the game itself has never been balanced to it. Every single ship in the game is balanced considering a team environment which is sadly not present in todays GB.

We can't change that fact now because it means redoing the whole game balance. 


Originally Posted by johnichus

I'm not asking for a oped J39. I just wana get a fair EBB4.5.

 

This is your biggest mistake. It is not an EBB 4.5. The explanation thread clearly states the role of this new class. 

  • Re : KM EBB4.5 J39 CRUISE at 22/37 for normal setup

    10. 04. 2013 00:22


johnichus

Originally Posted by nyerkovic

It is not an EBB 4.5. 



For me, i call it as EBB4.5 becoz it's between ebb4 and bb5.
If it is better than bb5, i will call it ebb5.

To Identify the 2 ebb3 easier, most players called them 3bb3 and ebb3.5.
There is no 2 ebb5 but it is between the ebb4 and bb5 according the level of ships.  
It is a problem of identification system. Calling J39 as EBB5 would cause misunstanding.

I think I hv to stop the discussion.
I hope J39 can run 23/39 with normal setup with a patch for balancing BB4-5.

Good Job, Thanks a lot, nyerkovic.
You always show your patience to answer me and explain the idea of this patch.
I'm sorry abt the discussion with emotion but i'm sad to use a 100medal ebb with little little advantage and not for exp grinding.

 

  • Re : KM EBB4.5 J39 CRUISE at 22/37 for normal setup

    10. 04. 2013 02:22


Kogard

Originally Posted by johnichus

I think I hv to stop the discussion.
I hope J39 can run 23/39 with normal setup with a patch for balancing BB4-5.

Good Job, Thanks a lot, nyerkovic.
You always show your patience to answer me and explain the idea of this patch.
I'm sorry abt the discussion with emotion but i'm sad to use a 100medal ebb with little little advantage and not for exp grinding.

 

U can hope but it's not going to happen. Look at bizzy43 as an example, it got more fire power and also reduced speed (if u set it armor the same as normal bizzy).

I'm not doing HA, J43 is just another harbor queen if u get it, like my bizzy43.

H41 is the best for grinding crew exp to 120 in GBs. H44 11k sunk repair cost is a serious disadvantage for player like me (don't have high lv cv). 

 

@nyerkovic

It is weird to see every new KM ships is balanced for HA or normal BB rooms. I thought HA was for Kaiser playground, not for the tiers below it. And normal BB rooms is now practically extinct. As almost every KM BBs balanced for BB rooms it would be a change to see a new one balance for GBs.

  • Re : KM EBB4.5 J39 CRUISE at 22/37 for normal setup

    10. 04. 2013 06:25


nyerkovic

Originally Posted by johnichus

For me, i call it as EBB4.5 becoz it's between ebb4 and bb5.

If it is better than bb5, i will call it ebb5.

To Identify the 2 ebb3 easier, most players called them 3bb3 and ebb3.5.
There is no 2 ebb5 but it is between the ebb4 and bb5 according the level of ships.  
It is a problem of identification system. Calling J39 as EBB5 would cause misunstanding.

That identification system you are using causes confusion. EBB1/2/3 is a player classification and not a technical classification. Although it reflects power, it doesn't reflect the ship's role which in the particular case of the J39 is very important.

J39 has aspects of BB4 and aspects of BB5, but it is not a grinder so it is not meant to replace the BB4 in the growth to BB5... that is the role of the H41. The H41 is the ship that is placed in the "EBB4.5" definition you have, not the J39.

The role of the J39 as explained in the main thread, is to provide an alternative to the grinder ship (H41) with more power and an edge in competitive gamemodes such as HA. This is also reflected in the very little level difference between the "grinder ship" and the "alternative" (96 vs 99).

Also as explained, the definition of EBB numbers the test team is using is based on the guns the ship is able to equip. It is not a misunderstanding to call it EBB5 since it uses BB5 guns.

Originally Posted by johnichus

Good Job, Thanks a lot, nyerkovic.

You always show your patience to answer me and explain the idea of this patch.
I'm sorry abt the discussion with emotion but i'm sad to use a 100medal ebb with little little advantage and not for exp grinding.



I will always explain and discuss with those that want to do it and I'm also open to discussing through PM in any matter you want.



Originally Posted by Kogard

Originally Posted by johnichus

I think I hv to stop the discussion.
I hope J39 can run 23/39 with normal setup with a patch for balancing BB4-5.

Good Job, Thanks a lot, nyerkovic.
You always show your patience to answer me and explain the idea of this patch.
I'm sorry abt the discussion with emotion but i'm sad to use a 100medal ebb with little little advantage and not for exp grinding.

 

@nyerkovic

It is weird to see every new KM ships is balanced for HA or normal BB rooms. I thought HA was for Kaiser playground, not for the tiers below it. And normal BB rooms is now practically extinct. As almost every KM BBs balanced for BB rooms it would be a change to see a new one balance for GBs.

 

It is not so weird when you analyse the KM nation traits and you see that it is a nation designed for a competitive room and for a team environment. BB rooms is where KM has always exceled.

Harbor Tile is what can be considered the Kaiser playground because it is generally exclusive to BB6 ships, but in all HA the tiles before it you can see KM ships doing very well, specially H44 (and now hopefully J39).

It would definitely be a challenge to have a KM ship desigend for GB while keeping the nation traits in line, but it could be a topic to discuss in a future class of ships. 

  • Re : KM EBB4.5 J39 CRUISE at 22/37 for normal setup

    10. 04. 2013 09:20


johnichus

Originally Posted by Kogard

U can hope but it's not going to happen. Look at bizzy43 as an example, it got more fire power and also reduced speed (if u set it armor the same as normal bizzy).

I'm not doing HA, J43 is just another harbor queen if u get it, like my bizzy43.

H41 is the best for grinding crew exp to 120 in GBs. H44 11k sunk repair cost is a serious disadvantage for player like me (don't have high lv cv). 

 

@nyerkovic

It is weird to see every new KM ships is balanced for HA or normal BB rooms. I thought HA was for Kaiser playground, not for the tiers below it. And normal BB rooms is now practically extinct. As almost every KM BBs balanced for BB rooms it would be a change to see a new one balance for GBs.



J43 ?? u mean J39?? J39 wouldn't be harbor queen becoz h44 is better.
I like h41, h44 but not 22/37 J39. If J39 can run 23/39, it is ok for me.

I'm totally agree with u that SDE NF2 should consider balancing KM BB for GBs since GB is the core of the game now.

  • Re : KM EBB4.5 J39 CRUISE at 22/37 for normal setup

    10. 06. 2013 04:11


Kogard

Originally Posted by johnichus

Originally Posted by Kogard

U can hope but it's not going to happen. Look at bizzy43 as an example, it got more fire power and also reduced speed (if u set it armor the same as normal bizzy).

I'm not doing HA, J43 is just another harbor queen if u get it, like my bizzy43.

H41 is the best for grinding crew exp to 120 in GBs. H44 11k sunk repair cost is a serious disadvantage for player like me (don't have high lv cv). 

 

@nyerkovic

It is weird to see every new KM ships is balanced for HA or normal BB rooms. I thought HA was for Kaiser playground, not for the tiers below it. And normal BB rooms is now practically extinct. As almost every KM BBs balanced for BB rooms it would be a change to see a new one balance for GBs.



J43 ?? u mean J39?? J39 wouldn't be harbor queen becoz h44 is better.
I like h41, h44 but not 22/37 J39. If J39 can run 23/39, it is ok for me.

I'm totally agree with u that SDE NF2 should consider balancing KM BB for GBs since GB is the core of the game now.

 

Yes I mean J39, sry typo.



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