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    04. 15. 2012 11:40


Piombo

Ok this is basicly a rant that makes sense .

 

whats the point of have KM as the #1 Nation for Range when SN BB4 and RM BB4 and 5 can range /out range the H39 and H44 this is just rediculous

 

Germany
PRO
CONTRA
  • The final guns of each stage outrange the guns of other nations in that stage
  • Bonus to Engineers (speed!)
  • Great Anti-Aircraft (AA) guns
  • Guns and Ships are available a bit later (higher level)
  • Guns of each stage do relativeliy little damage compared to other nations (influenced by the fact that LightHE ammo is the best choice for Germans (range!))
  • Heavy, expensive armor
  • Monotone gameplay
Gameplay Style

Hit and Run! Lack of sheer brute force (damage per shell, armor efficiency) makes this (the combination of speed and range) the only way you can play with German ships. Use your great AA guns to shoot down enemy scouts to make this easier!

 

this has been fully down played with the release of SN and RM and negated all the Pros to the KM line WTF either Buff KM or finish Nerfing/fixing SN and RM the stupidity of these new nations has has altered the stats of the origanal nations

 

Japan
PRO
CONTRA
  • Best ship-mounted torpedoes in the game
  • Best torpedo-ships in the game
  • Big variety of CVs
  • Best AA Guns at high levels
  • Armor is not very effective
  • Very bad Support Crews
  • Bad AA at low and medium levels
Gameplay Style

You have much variety! Either go play with a good gun-based DD, or use a torp-only DD (so called "Torp Whore (TW)"), or use some of the good guns on CL/CA+!



UNITED KINGDOM
PRO
CONTRA
  • Best damage per shell
  • Best armor
  • Bonus on Repairers/Restorers
  • Gain an additional Slot for Support Sailors aboard a ship compared to most other Nations at a certain stage
  • Armor is expensive
  • Not all ships can be properly armored
Gameplay Style

Brute Force! You can apply excessive amounts of great armor on your ship (so called "Armor Whoring") and have guns that deal a big punch. But watch out! Do not trade too many sailors for armor, because only if you keep full sailors you will have enough experts later on!



UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
PRO
CONTRA
  • Great CVs
  • Good AA Aiming System (you see lines which indicated the height you are shooting at)
  • Hard hitting Guns and slim ship designs at BB stage
  • Well-balanced overall
  • Being "balanced" is also a contra: The Guns have no range advantage over all others at any stage
Gameplay Style

You have much variety, similar to Japan! Some of your DDs are good for torp-whoring, other for guns. Guns and ships are well-balanced overall.

 

 

so

 whats the Pros and Cons to the New Nations none there OP by bad testing/balancing

 

  • Re : KM Range nation

    04. 15. 2012 13:55


Piombo

Originally Posted by testarossa

RM BB4 has iowa range i believe.

RM BB5 doesnt have H44 range i believe 


the biggest issue ive seen wth RM is it has way to much range for their shell dmg for a  Rushing Nation  seeing how the angle 20 n 25 BB guns with litte to no hang time Laser guns with signifigent reload and for ppl to say it all good its not OP its under powered or any thing else just want to keep it as it is just to exploit their unbalanced ships like SN BB3 imp before they Nerffed it a bunch of BS  their BB4 n 5 i know better to beleave since ive been hit by the BB5 and sunk with only a few shells of the salvo to hit in two shots before as it barely came into my max range and the BB4 has ranged me just under my max angle in H44 and i know all the things there is to know about KM BBs lack of shell dmg is compensated by range  armor is compensated for Speed and giving some of the best AA possible o any nation so if any thing bring back the Beta H44 38000 DP with the 20.1" guns with the AW capable to 10' deck ect.

  • Re : KM Range nation

    04. 15. 2012 14:12


NIborGER

Well stalingrad is a bit OPed. Just had a fleet intern bb4 tournament and it clearly showed that its a tiny bit better then H39 in a 3vs3. Please notice it got 2nd smallest hitbox, only RM bb4 is smaller and with 39-40knots there isnt really a speed disadvantage.

About RM bb4: range is clearly hugely affected by its spread.... With at lvl gunners shells tend to land at Lion1 range, but when they get 98+ the range rises and becomes Iowa like but still has lots of range jumps causing to range a h44 occasionally.

RM bb5 is in 1 word underpowered. it hits less then H44. (H44 does 43-44k (inconsisty not taken into account, while RM bb5 does 41-42k but more consistently). Furthermore its spread makes it really hard to land a good salvo, at least at lvl (i have just reached lvl 106). If i remember correctly it was easyer to land a good salvo with H44 then with RM bb5. About its range its SY like but agains bad spread causes sometimes some shells to fly further.

  • Re : KM Range nation

    04. 15. 2012 14:41


angus725

Thread has been cleaned.

  • Re : KM Range nation

    04. 15. 2012 15:03


richardphat

Stalingrad a bit overpowered? Only a bit? It's practically an Iowa with H39 range and more with yamato damage.

 

Sry, but H44 does not hit harder in whatsoever than the rm BB5.

You are comparing apple and orange. You compare H44 non inconsistency vs RM BB5 inconsistency.

 

You wanted and insist a super low angle gun, there you have it. Don't complain about the problem.

  • Re : KM Range nation

    04. 15. 2012 15:53


Rehor

Originally Posted by richardphat

You wanted and insist a super low angle gun, there you have it. Don't complain about the problem.

Exactly.  But if I'm the one saying there's a crapload of irony there, I'm the one labeled as a troll.

  • Re : KM Range nation

    04. 15. 2012 16:59


ljsevern

Where did you get those pro's and con's from?

We all know RM is out of whack. SN needs some tweaking.

KM has the longest range in each tier. The only time it comes near is the SN BB4, which obviously needs a bit of tweaking. 

  • Re : KM Range nation

    04. 15. 2012 18:00


FalleNStaR

Originally Posted by Rehor

Originally Posted by Piombo

SN BB4 and RM BB4 and 5 can range /out range the H39 and H44 this is just rediculous

Proof.

How long were you in the SN BB4? Oh yeah, until RM BB4... You are the proof.

  • Re : KM Range nation

    04. 15. 2012 19:21


Bart133

Originally Posted by FalleNStaR

Originally Posted by Rehor

Originally Posted by Piombo

SN BB4 and RM BB4 and 5 can range /out range the H39 and H44 this is just rediculous

Proof.

How long were you in the SN BB4? Oh yeah, until RM BB4... You are the proof.

Sometimes when new nations come out people use them.

  • Re : KM Range nation

    04. 15. 2012 19:48


angus725

Cleaned some more of the thread.

If it turns into personal attacks again, the thread will get locked.

LJ, I believe those are copied of nf-guides.com , which is incrediably outdated.

  • Re : KM Range nation

    04. 16. 2012 05:30


Rehor

Originally Posted by FalleNStaR

How long were you in the SN BB4? Oh yeah, until RM BB4... You are the proof.

Until I hit 120, with about 2.5 levels spent in the Soyuz.

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