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  • H44 advice.

    01. 19. 2013 21:00


bandman232

Hey, tis me again! Huzzah, I've made it to H44. Howver, I am still new to the ship, and I am looking for any tips and tactics to use with my shiny new ship. Also, keep in mind I havent gotten used to the new gun angles yet. Thanks!

 

  • Re : H44 advice.

    02. 28. 2013 12:16


Sonlirain

Originally Posted by EricIdle

Originally Posted by Sonlirain


You sir are a true forumite.

If that means, somebody who likes the truth to come up and who fights against all sorts of ignorance and false ideas, yeah, you are right, I'd be a forumite :)



Nope.
It just means you go by the rules established by the ignorant majority.
The same doofuses who fear the torpedo launchers on my wooden H44 and call my briliant rushing tactics "stupid". 

  • Re : H44 advice.

    03. 01. 2013 05:17


NIborGER

Originally Posted by Kogard

Originally Posted by Sonlirain


Nah he's just trying to fit in.
It's the NF forum after all and as all forums it also has its unspoken rules.

1 - H44 is not underpowered (despite having less firepower thna some BB3s).
2 - Lion2 is not overpowered. (despite having the smallest BB5 hitbox, almost KM range, BB6 supports, great speed without the rear turret and being albe to AW)
3 - All CVs should be pure FW. (Is a fact)

L2 wasn't supposed to get that range with their current dmg, it is known. And it won't be fix becoz ehem...ehem...ehem...

@Niborger

Skill alone won't get u 250-300k atk in H44 or KM BBs, u need to be a Messi in H44, skill + luck (timing, support ship AA/ASW etc etc)...



Meh, i know plenty of players who did 400k+ in H44. Furthermore it is the best BB5 to fight any BB5 or below. Only when it comes to fighting against BB6 there are some better BB5s.

Furthermore range and DMG of Lion 2 is fine. The Hitbox is fine too(aren't alsace and VV smaller?), actuatlly in linefights its a bit of a disadvantage because you cant do as good slingshots with it. The only real thing that is wrong with the Lion2 is its APHC beeing a bit too low. But calling it OP for that is a bit too much. Still pretty balanced. 

  • Re : H44 advice.

    03. 01. 2013 06:23


Sonlirain

Originally Posted by NIborGER

Meh, i know plenty of players who did 400k+ in H44. Furthermore it is the best BB5 to fight any BB5 or below. Only when it comes to fighting against BB6 there are some better BB5s.



Assuming you don't run into one of the following:
A rushing ship.
A smaller ship.

OR

Run out of space to run. 

  • Re : H44 advice.

    03. 01. 2013 06:32


NIborGER

Originally Posted by Sonlirain

Originally Posted by NIborGER

Meh, i know plenty of players who did 400k+ in H44. Furthermore it is the best BB5 to fight any BB5 or below. Only when it comes to fighting against BB6 there are some better BB5s.



Assuming you don't run into one of the following:
A rushing ship.
A smaller ship.

OR

Run out of space to run. 



A ruhsing ship-> Aim better, dodge and counter rush
A smaller ship-> Aim better, and should be dead before its gets in range
Run out of space to run-> why the f. do u run out of space when playing H44. If there isn't BB6 or really 0 vision you should be the one making them run out of space. Running H44s are food. H44 is about pushing.

  • Re : H44 advice.

    03. 01. 2013 07:14


Sonlirain

Originally Posted by NIborGER

Originally Posted by Sonlirain

Originally Posted by NIborGER

Meh, i know plenty of players who did 400k+ in H44. Furthermore it is the best BB5 to fight any BB5 or below. Only when it comes to fighting against BB6 there are some better BB5s.



Assuming you don't run into one of the following:
A rushing ship.
A smaller ship.

OR

Run out of space to run. 



A ruhsing ship-> Aim better, dodge and counter rush
A smaller ship-> Aim better, and should be dead before its gets in range
Run out of space to run-> why the f. do u run out of space when playing H44. If there isn't BB6 or really 0 vision you should be the one making them run out of space. Running H44s are food. H44 is about pushing.



1 - You assume he won't dodge.
2 - Counter rushing will get you in range of even more BBs
3 - H44 range advantage is small enough for a rushing BB4 to get in range the instant it turns towards you.
4 - H44 damage is low enough to need 2 salvos to cripple or sink anyone. 
5 - H44 guns deal mostly AP damage and have very low HE damage so smaller ships with good APHC like AD will take a lot of fire to go down. 

  • Re : H44 advice.

    03. 01. 2013 07:41


NIborGER

Originally Posted by Sonlirain

Originally Posted by NIborGER

Originally Posted by Sonlirain

Originally Posted by NIborGER

Meh, i know plenty of players who did 400k+ in H44. Furthermore it is the best BB5 to fight any BB5 or below. Only when it comes to fighting against BB6 there are some better BB5s.



Assuming you don't run into one of the following:
A rushing ship.
A smaller ship.

OR

Run out of space to run. 



A ruhsing ship-> Aim better, dodge and counter rush
A smaller ship-> Aim better, and should be dead before its gets in range
Run out of space to run-> why the f. do u run out of space when playing H44. If there isn't BB6 or really 0 vision you should be the one making them run out of space. Running H44s are food. H44 is about pushing.



1 - You assume he won't dodge.
2 - Counter rushing will get you in range of even more BBs
3 - H44 range advantage is small enough for a rushing BB4 to get in range the instant it turns towards you.
4 - H44 damage is low enough to need 2 salvos to cripple or sink anyone. 
5 - H44 guns deal mostly AP damage and have very low HE damage so smaller ships with good APHC like AD will take a lot of fire to go down. 



1 - When he rushes he will get in range for your teammates too. You have the first shot. If it ist VV, you have lower hangtime, when someone is ruhsing you alone he is aiming to kill you and if its a bb5, what should be wrong if you die. Getting rushed and dieing by a BB5 isn't a shame. Or do yu want a god mode? But still you have a very fair chance.
2 - I din't said counter rush like a bloody noob. Fall a tiny bit back and then counter rush so you wount get into range of more enemy ships. Furthermore rushes most likely happen in GBs where no great teamwork is. So most likely even when you counterrush a lot you wount get in range of others. In BB1-5/HA rooms a rushes gets nuked within seconds and a simple dodge is enough. Either he retreated after the first shot or is already dead.
3 - Only H39, but you seriously outdamage that one.
4 - Well crippeling in 1 shot is possible. 45k for a full hit is fair enough. L2,SY,VV have ca.53. At least its enough to 1 Shot BB4s and seriously damage BB5s. Maybe not enough to get them to lose the OH in 1shot but still enough to get them in the orange HPs.
5 - Thats for all BB5/6s but H44 can pretty good dead with small ships. Fair reload and 37 degrees. A 45 degree ship has a lot more trouble.


Seriously what do you want? H44 is the best line fighting BB5 and is awesome to push the enemy towards the border. Its fair against ruhsing ships and for a BB5 it can rather easy kill small ships. Only Monty (reload+firepower) and VV(degrees HE dmg) are better at it. 

  • Re : H44 advice.

    03. 01. 2013 11:03


Kogard

Originally Posted by NIborGER

Meh, i know plenty of players who did 400k+ in H44. Furthermore it is the best BB5 to fight any BB5 or below. Only when it comes to fighting against BB6 there are some better BB5s.

Furthermore range and DMG of Lion 2 is fine. The Hitbox is fine too(aren't alsace and VV smaller?), actuatlly in linefights its a bit of a disadvantage because you cant do as good slingshots with it. The only real thing that is wrong with the Lion2 is its APHC beeing a bit too low. But calling it OP for that is a bit too much. Still pretty balanced. 

Sry, since I played again, I never seen 1 that does 300k, let alone 400k (50% todays atk team) in GBs... A few were 150k-200k ish... Furthermore I know some BB3 that's better than H44 in fighting other BB5 or below.

Then it's just ur not skilled enough to face BB6 in H44... 

L2 range is fine? That kind of range combines with dmg salvo, low APHC, armor efficiency, + 1 sup slot, bonus repair stat, highest AAW defence, run 39kts w/o +eng bonus... yeah it isn't too much...

Oh, H44 best line fighting? Sincerely doubt that, IJN and even UK players will fight for your claim...

  • Re : H44 advice.

    03. 02. 2013 11:38


GrieferLord

I was not expecting to post here again however it seems i may have to do so.  Despite how much i love my german ships and them being my favorite ship line as well as my first ship line.  I also know it's limitations as well, all the germans ships are good in skilled hands AND with some luck.

The H44 while being a solid ship is just as it is fat, that is also a major weakness to it.  While it can dodge it's hitbox limits it severely when fighting ships with a mass of shells or low angles.  It can be a great agressive ship however with the way GB's are these days your better off in a smaller ship and rushing, the smaller hitbox always is helpful.

No matter how good of a player you are with how NF is these days chances are you will have bad luck in a H44 especially since support can be very sporradic or nonexistant on the southern flank.  Plus with subs around and few who counter them the H44 makes a magnificent snack. 

How often these days do you see a BB room? not often in the least, even when you do it is BB6 spam, same with HA's bb5's have little to no place in a HA unless your in a distraction tile or just waiting for a bb6 to make a mistake, even then the h44 does not hit with enough punch to be super effective.

The guy who asked for advice just was getting his H44, whether it's his first bb5 or not you still should first start off easy on the ship and get to know it before going nuts in it.

As i said previously the H44 shines when you can get a good blind spot over your ship and can go to town, it can be good at counter rushing ONLY if you are good at your angles and dodging.  Even then your hitbox is a drawback which many can and do take advantage of.

It has the lowest damage of all the bb5's per salvo so it take a bit more to cripple another bb5 if you don't land a perfect salvo.  Even then some ships have such a hitbox as soon as they turn in your done for most of the time.  The L2, VV, and Alsace are perfect counters to a H44 due to the fact they have more shells to fire at you, low angles, and in all cases better damage than you in a H44.

You saying it's "easy" to push back a L2 is just laughable, while you can do it rather "easy" when they are blind pushing too much leads to a quick end and you must always be cautious.  Also ANY bb5 can be good at counter rushing another ship or bb5, fact is the h44 is limited in it's role and is not very good solo. Even if you do hold off an entire flank solo it still comes down to your team also beng able to take advantage and flank if they are all not dead already.

NEVER get cocky in an H44, that is a quick way to get sunk.  Nibor you saying the L2 is balanced is just a facepalm, as others have said in here it has long range and very very consistant heavy hitting power coupled with bb6 supports, slim hitbox which makes landing a full salvo when it rushes you nearly impossible. 

 

Now lets review the fine points of the H44 and the NO-NO's

 

Pro's: Has a large pool of scouts to use

Extremely effective defensive AA or longer ranged anti scout AA

Lowish angle although a bit odd at 37 degrees

good OH time

now has consistant damage *finally*

has alright turning

good in a line fight or BB room

 

Con's:  MASSIVE hitbox

Kinda squishy

bad against slim hitbox ships due to only 4 duals

vulnerable to DB's and TB's *can be dodged but takes some doing*

large sub target

somewhat ineffective AP *not a big con*

easily overwhelmed

outdamaged by every BB5 and some BB4's

Very small range advantage

 

Again the H44 while a alright and solid ship requires quite a bit of focus and being on the ball as a player.  However even then some things you just can't control such as if your team falls out from under you.  It is far from being super super bad but it does require some getting used to as a BB5.  It is frustrating at first but in higher levels it can do better. 

Always be warey of another bb5 and especially a bb6, if you can blind em and get a good push on them you can sink them but be careful of 120 scout spam.  If they rush fall back a bit and lead them into friendlies.  IF you have no friendlies around and has a scout up and don't want to fall back then counter rush and surprise them.  However make sure you can get that pesky scout to make your initial movements.

Your biggest threats vers other BB5's will be L2's, VV's, Alsaces, and other H44's.  the other BB5's can seriously screw you up but only if your not paying attention or if your team vanishes.  If you get into a deadlocked battle whoever makes the first mistake will generally be the one to lose.  Try to time your attacks carefully and not be the one to make the first mistake.

Myself i enjoy playing my H44, it has been a while since i last played it but i generally enjoy it as a whole. Compared to other BB5's it's the second hardest to get used to the SY being the hardest since it has such a gap from 45-39 then 39 and below.  Still good luck to you OP in your H44 you will need it.

 

 

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