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  • TNF? Vick where are you?

    12. 26. 2014 10:11


sylwesterph

 

 Guys what happend? :D

 

  • Re : TNF? Vick where are you?

    12. 28. 2014 10:49


W1SH

IBTL
Oh Lj, good to know that you know better what I had on my account, my ban history and what room types I entered. Care to englihten me when I used that mythical modded crew and what crew was that? Honestly I didnt find on my account any sailor different which you claim is there but seem you either confused IDs or know better :). Yet, it seems you didnt read some clarifications done by fellow ex-mod on your forum

As a side note, what hatred for jedifleet? Since when commenting your lack of knowledge about some facts is hatred and why would i hate a fleet which doesnt play for years? 

Nevertheless, we look forward to see what this purge will bring in 2015, and late merry christmas to you.

  • Re : TNF? Vick where are you?

    12. 28. 2014 11:56


ljsevern

Originally Posted by W1SH

IBTL
Oh Lj, good to know that you know better what I had on my account, my ban history and what room types I entered. Care to englihten me when I used that mythical modded crew and what crew was that? Honestly I didnt find on my account any sailor different which you claim is there but seem you either confused IDs or know better :). Yet, it seems you didnt read some clarifications done by fellow ex-mod on your forum

As a side note, what hatred for jedifleet? Since when commenting your lack of knowledge about some facts is hatred and why would i hate a fleet which doesnt play for years? 

Nevertheless, we look forward to see what this purge will bring in 2015, and late merry christmas to you.



Regarding the blitz crew, are you denying you have a crew on your account that was changed so that it would stay at level 60? Are you denying using that crew to farm blitz when you could have done it with a Neut crew?

You posted and cited my fleet negatively and accused my fleet of corruption. You never posted proof. I've posted proof countless times of the corruption of Vick's regime which you was a part of. Here is your quote:

[quote]Lj, mods removed were not more corrupted than TNF mods with jedi affiliation in the past, just sayin'[/quote]

If you wish to post some proof regarding the real reasons as to the purge, or some proof of mine or Jedi's "corruption", then feel free. But I won't hold my breath. I've got nothing to hide.

Some nice reading material too:

http://www.jedifleet.com/smf/index.php?topic=14986.0

http://www.jedifleet.com/smf/index.php?topic=16139.0 

I also won't be holding my breath waiting on you to show some sort of evidence of you doing something positive for the community while you was in TNF.

  • Re : TNF? Vick where are you?

    12. 28. 2014 12:58


W1SH

Originally Posted by ljsevern

Regarding the blitz crew, are you denying you have a crew on your account that was changed so that it would stay at level 60? Are you denying using that crew to farm blitz when you could have done it with a Neut crew?


Indeed I am 


Originally Posted by ljsevern
You posted and cited my fleet negatively and accused my fleet of corruption. You never posted proof. I've posted proof countless times of the corruption of Vick's regime which you was a part of.


You accused me of being corrupted here and on your forum, wihtout any proof (which you admitted yourself). So I wouldnt like to hold my breath either :)

Reffering to your reading proposals, like i said then, good to know that I was permabanned, shame that its only you who know that, but I would like to praise your friends skills in paint, seen his works on various occasions, care to get a real one?

We can continue this discussion via other methods, this topic got derailed enough :) 

  • Re : TNF? Vick where are you?

    12. 28. 2014 13:32


ljsevern

[QUOTE=W1SH]

[QUOTE=ljsevern]
Regarding the blitz crew, are you denying you have a crew on your account that was changed so that it would stay at level 60? Are you denying using that crew to farm blitz when you could have done it with a Neut crew?
[/quote]

Indeed I am 


[QUOTE=ljsevern]You posted and cited my fleet negatively and accused my fleet of corruption. You never posted proof. I've posted proof countless times of the corruption of Vick's regime which you was a part of.
[/quote]

You accused me of being corrupted here and on your forum, wihtout any proof (which you admitted yourself). So I wouldnt like to hold my breath either :)

Reffering to your reading proposals, like i said then, good to know that I was permabanned, shame that its only you who know that, but I would like to praise your friends skills in paint, seen his works on various occasions, care to get a real one?

We can continue this discussion via other methods, this topic got derailed enough :) 

[/QUOTE]

Pretty sure the proof has been posted, your reputation is well known throughout the community. 

Here is another example, you harassing a fleet leader for hosting a room with a joke about his own fleet in:

http://www.toiletflushers.net/gathering/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=3848&p=43219

Still waiting on what you did during your time in TNF.

 

  • Re : TNF? Vick where are you?

    12. 28. 2014 13:37


Cracko

You can't understand "Vick Regime", as you say, without understanding "pre-Vick TNF", that's why Wish is pointing out a detail you all want to ignore and certainly he has a point, there is no need to tergiversate his words. "Pre-Vick" TNF was not better than Vick Regime.

 

Vick made the TNF more impartial and more independent from a small sector of the community, and that sector never forgive him for that. You can't deny the only good thing he made. Then it started to degenerate in not listening to anyone for a long list of reasons that are not meant to be posted here and in my opinion he should have resigned like a couple of years ago.

 

I hope the future TNF leaders would get a better TNF. Better than the Pre-Vick era and better than the Vick era. I think main task of if would be to 2 things, to get active mods, and to have better comunication in general, better comunication with the players and better comunication with SDE GMs, that way the few resources SDE can spend on this game would be more efficienctly spent. Noone will eat you or SDE if you say "SDE says they can't do this".

 

These days I will post a list of suggestion in fleet leader forums, since the last one i wrote like 1 or 2 years ago is still waiting for Vick's reponse. I think there are pretty minor changes and adjustements that have a low cost for SDE, will improve the game a lot and will make people to enjoy much more the game.

  • Re : TNF? Vick where are you?

    12. 28. 2014 13:40


Charizard97

Originally Posted by Cracko

I hope the future TNF leaders would get a better TNF. Better than the Pre-Vick era and better than the Vick era. I think main task of if would be to 2 things, to get active mods, and to have better comunication in general, better comunication with the players and better comunication with SDE GMs, that way the few resources SDE can spend on this game would be more efficienctly spent. Noone will eat you or SDE if you say "SDE says they can't do this".

 

Totally agree.

  • Re : TNF? Vick where are you?

    12. 28. 2014 15:17


W1SH

The fact that you blame only one player while you lack of full picture was funny few years back, now it just shows your ignorance. TNF certainly wasnt perfect being but unfortunately worked in boundaries imposed by higher being which is GM on SDE behalf.
It doesnt matter what you, me or any member of TNF wants, IF it doesnt match with SDE's approach, thats a fact and I believe that seasoned player like you noticed that already.

In some things you're right, in some not, but throwing everyone into same pit just cuz someone worked with someone isnt cool :)

If it's about TTF, if there are reports about something, mon (in that case) is obligated to react. I visited the room on request after report, relayed info to higher-ups, received no reprimend that I used wrong approach, so I have no regrets about my work being done. You have different opinion on the matter, so am I, and nobody has to change it.
If its about reputation, your or some others is also known throughout community, will we brag who has better or worse? 

Nevertheless, change is done, TNF is undergoing major reform, which seems was unprecendented in past. We all can hope that it will bring some positive changes. Can we focus on that rather than on pitchforks and witch hunting? :)

  • Re : TNF? Vick where are you?

    12. 29. 2014 00:02


ljsevern

[QUOTE=W1SH]

The fact that you blame only one player while you lack of full picture was funny few years back, now it just shows your ignorance. TNF certainly wasnt perfect being but unfortunately worked in boundaries imposed by higher being which is GM on SDE behalf.
It doesnt matter what you, me or any member of TNF wants, IF it doesnt match with SDE's approach, thats a fact and I believe that seasoned player like you noticed that already.
[/quote]

Do you or do you not believe Vick11 was a fit head mod for the game? If not, why did you stay under him for so long as a mod?

[QUOTE=W1SH]
In some things you're right, in some not, but throwing everyone into same pit just cuz someone worked with someone isnt cool :)
[/quote]

Same question as above

[QUOTE=W1SH]
If it's about TTF, if there are reports about something, mon (in that case) is obligated to react. I visited the room on request after report, relayed info to higher-ups, received no reprimend that I used wrong approach, so I have no regrets about my work being done. You have different opinion on the matter, so am I, and nobody has to change it.
[/quote]

You did use the wrong approach. You went in heavy handed as soon as you joined TNF to weild your new found power.

[QUOTE=W1SH]
If its about reputation, your or some others is also known throughout community, will we brag who has better or worse? 
[/quote]

I am quite confident that my reputation for my time in Navyfield 1 is positive. I don't need to justify my contribution to the game, I was never a member of the customer support team. You was. And you have been removed, and you are denying that you wasn't "Fit" for the job. I'm asking for you to prove otherwise. If not, we know where you claims can go.

Originally Posted by W1SH

Nevertheless, change is done, TNF is undergoing major reform, which seems was unprecendented in past. We all can hope that it will bring some positive changes. Can we focus on that rather than on pitchforks and witch hunting? :)


Pretty sure you brought in the pitchforks and witchhunting when you claimed that the changes were not as what SDE said:

Originally Posted by W1SH

Maybe picking wrong side got people purged? trololo :D

 

See?

[quote]
After a couple of weeks of gathering information and discussing the team members on the roster, we came to the conclusion that quite a few of the team were not fit to carry out what we wanted. Those who did not meet the requrements were dismissed and we are now restructuring TeamNF ready for 2015.
[/quote]

Vick wasn't fit to carry out his role as Head Mod. He wasn't fit to carry out any kind of customer support role. Even if he was active and player more than 1 game a day for the past 6 months (He barely played 1 game a week for the last 6 months), he was still completely corrupt and abused his power for personal vendetta's. Thats been proven. The fact that many mods stayed in bed with him and didn't either try and do something about it, or quit in protest says a lot about their character 

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Oh and Cracko - funny joke thinking Vicks TNF was an improvement over others. I never knew other TNF heads demanded private 3rd party fleet forums to be shut down and forum ban leaders when they refused, I never knew other TNF heads permaban players because he didn't like them, permaban players for legitimate HA's, remove all communication with SDE, remove the fleet leader forums because they demanded his resignation, remove ONF to replace it with Fresh Eyes which put game balance around 2 years behind with the absolutely terrible patches his lapdogs Blade and Angus put in.

But then again, if I said the Sky was blue, you'd argue that it was pink with purple spots. But i'm sure you'll try and argue otherwise though.

 

  • Re : TNF? Vick where are you?

    12. 29. 2014 09:36


Splid

The Official Jedi Position on this matter is as follows:

We told you so.  The activity of Vick11 has long been questionable, and has directly been questioned by Jedi for as long as he was present in his position.  Today, we are vindicated.


On a personal note, it is a tragedy that the game has basically died with Vick11 at the helm, I personally warned about this several times.  Vick was a barrier to ANYTHING positive in this game, his inability to interact with prominent and hardworking members of the community is the single largest insult to what was an amazing community.

Whoever is installed in his place, you MUST learn your place.  Vick served himself, and look where we got.

  • Re : TNF? Vick where are you?

    12. 29. 2014 12:20


sapper68

we should be asking y is alex back

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