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  • A question of AA: Emerald vs. Furious

    04. 20. 2010 11:17

Ferrard
What exactly are the benefits of a Furious CA over the Emerald as an AA ship? I've seen
people saying that the Furious is a decent AA escort, but I can't for the life of me
figure out why.

What I can tell is:

Furious:
* T-slots are a lot easier to aim with than R's
* Can mount a real armament as opposed to the Emmy's guns
* One extra crew position
* CA shared exp. as opposed to CL

Emerald:
* Twice the broadside strength
* More binds of ammo
* Smaller target
* Can perform ASW work as well

Given the only real bonus to AA that the Furious has over the Emerald would be the ease of
aiming with T-slots (the other bonuses don't actually affect AA capability), and the Emmy
can be an ASW ship in a pinch, I don't understand the use of the Furious unless you want
to play with the big boys and ninja a battleship to death, in which case AA is no longer
your ship's priority.

~ Ferrard
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  • Re : A question of AA: Emerald vs. Furious

    10. 06. 2010 05:28

Adamai
well i was going to buy some uk reload gunners and class them as AA, i welcome all
tips and hints ;) if their is another way to make uk AA actualy be worth A damn then
im all ears.

  • Re : A question of AA: Emerald vs. Furious

    10. 04. 2010 16:37

Ziro820
Look carefully some more. Every gun has a D in front of it for god knows what reason. The
actual variant of the gun is in the back of the line. In this case, it's not shown because
the name of the gun is too long. Those are indeed the A variants. If you check the levels
that are at the beginning of the gun names, D is level 32, A is level 48.

Once both AA gunners and Rld Gunners are capped, the reload is identical. The guns are
lighter but the range is shorter by a tiny margin, as was tested a long time ago with a
fleetmate of mine. I hope you know how to class UK AA gunners if you're serious in getting
some.

  • Re : A question of AA: Emerald vs. Furious

    10. 04. 2010 04:57

Adamai
ive got acces to those but my AA gunners are not worth the light of day so i stick
with the D's they have a better reload. obviously i use reload gunners with them too.

yea your right those guns do determine what crews you can have. the lighter guns
do indeed mean another engineer. i feel some elite reload gunners comeing on and
being classed as AA ;)

i love these little conversations, they point out al the obvious stuff that i tend to
bypass unknowingly.

nice one matey.

and in the bottom picture its showing your guns to be the rp10D's variant not the
A'S and the picture above is showing you useing AA sailors, how does that work ???

or is that somethign else your showing me ?

  • Re : A question of AA: Emerald vs. Furious

    10. 03. 2010 16:24

Ziro820
The Orcs answer was closer than the one above. :P

In all seriousness though, it's not so much the engineers that are making the difference.
You say maxing out the displacement on the Emerald is easy, it really isn't if you're
running the lighter set of AA guns that very little people have access to. If you look
closely, I'm using AA gunners on the Emerald, not Reload gunners like most people would.
AA gunners grant access to the RP10A, this A variant is about what? Half the weight of the
Ds? So if I used the Ds, I could probably fit 1 or 2 engineers instead of 3 and that way,
my Emerald might be slower.

And since this thread is a question of AA, I see it fair that I cheat and use the real AA
gunners to determine the outcome between the Emerald and the Furious. ;)

  • Re : A question of AA: Emerald vs. Furious

    10. 03. 2010 11:44

Adamai
yea its the enigneers. im not useing engineers on mine, i use repairers more so.
maybe i should stick on my engies instead and probably get better results.

  • Re : A question of AA: Emerald vs. Furious

    09. 27. 2010 23:48

Ferrard
It's 'cuz you snuck some red into that new paint-job and recruited a whole crapload of
orks, isn't it? =P

~ Ferrard

  • Re : A question of AA: Emerald vs. Furious

    09. 27. 2010 21:01

Ziro820


My Furious with full disp. Using dual 15" Mk II Ls because I think they're 20 times better
than the trips. 20 times, at least.


My Emerald with full disp. Normally I would run it without the bulge to go 56knts, but you
asked for full disp. And yes, that's right, I had room on this little thing to put on belt
and bulge while having my crew on board.

My crew is all level 120 except for the BO I would use on the two ships. Usually I would
use my sub BO for the Emerald, who is level 75 with no recruits, 4 experts and 10 vets. On
the Furious, I would use my level 98 CV BO, who has enough crew to make the Furious'
shells land at the end of the lines. For demonstration purposes though, I used the sub BO
on the Furious as well for the screenshots.

Who can figure out why my full disp. ships can go so much faster than the above's full
disp. ships? ;) My whole fleet knows the answer. :P

  • Re : A question of AA: Emerald vs. Furious

    09. 26. 2010 11:40

Adamai
thats odd as i remember my furious being much faster than my emerald lol. try
useing all your displacement which shouldnt be hard on the emerald.

i think its got something to do with my crew being too heavy for the emerald their
fore slowing it conciderably where as the furious has more displacement and more
speed. at full dis the furious is slow especially if you use trip 15" guns. but with
minimal crew and no armour the furious is faster. my crews are are slightly above
level though say like lvl 90+ i cant get a full crew on the emerald. i can imagine at
level the emerald may be quicker. but with my crew as it is now my furious is
wayway faster.

it depends on what level your crews are and how much displacement they use. the
furious has more capacity for wieght bearing so their give a better top end speed
with the same crew. i geuss if you pack the furious out with armour and the emerald
then the emerald still might be a bit faster. depends how you play really. i know i
cant get the crew i like to use on an emerald but i can on the furious and its fairly
fast too.

but as far as AA goes it has to be emerald al the way.

  • Re : A question of AA: Emerald vs. Furious

    09. 23. 2010 21:13

Ziro820
@ above: Not true. My Emerald is at least 10 knts faster than my Furious. Running the same
4 engineers on them, my Emerald did something like 54 or 56 knts and my Furious is stuck
at 44 knts with AA, 45 knts without.

  • Re : A question of AA: Emerald vs. Furious

    09. 22. 2010 08:57

Adamai
i think the furious is faster than the emerald by a large margin. plus you can get
more high level crews on the furious than you can on the emerald. once the emerald
is at max displacement its slow as hell. the furious if you keep the armour of it it
maintains a healthy top speed.
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