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MN submegence last shot,live patch.
05. 26. 2011 12:09

richardphat	So for the next proposal, which will be sending next week. You can refer yourselves to this http://www.opennavyfield.com/smf/index.php?topic=108.0 For better reading. Courbet 1560 Bretagne 1500 Lorraine 1360 Paris 1757 Normandie 1749 Lyon 2001 Strassbourg 2250 Richelieu 3032 Alsace 4001 (May have done mistake by quick rewriting this fast) Short brainstorming and those value just came from my head with quick analyzing. Courbet Let's try 2000/2200 It has much firepowered compared to BB1. It currently do 42 knots and have AA. Small hitbox. Bretagne Let's try 2000/2200 It has 5 R slot per side. Small hitbox. 4 T guns per slot, but those 4 T guns can do 180 degree. Lorraine 2000/2200 The only ship that deserve to have the lowest in my opinion, for BB2. Since it has 4 turrets only. Speed can be discussed along this. Only 2 T slot per side and a small hitbox Paris A remod.... very small hitbox. 5 gun per broadside. Less firepower than Lyon, also it has AA. I suggest somwhere 2200 to 2400. Normandie 2200 to 2400 Justified by small hitbox. Massive damage but less than Lyon. It has AA, but also slightly faster. Should we increase to Lyon is the discussion. Lyon 2400/2500 Justified by having a small hitbox. Massive damage . Though it is slow, we musn't forget that it has also AA. Strasbourg to 2600/2800 (note this significant increased, is due to the turning force it's getting and extreme thin profile. I believe this ship deserve well enough to be able to dodge much easier than other bb3. That alone should be the advantage and "can't hit me" ability. Plus the speed buff it's getting (47 knots with 120 crew). I think it is well suited. Richelieu (Borderline acceptable, though I feel it could be around 3200 since it has fantastic AA, and it's having damage buff) But we will see how the patch will turn out to be. Alsace ( Final shot will be done with bb5 patch. So if next weeks, you see something wrong, just tell yourself it isn't done yet) Suggestion, comment, feel something outrageous. Discuss here. Plus, I stop giving much effort providing the exact value. Takes too much ressources and I am leaving this to you, so you decide the shot.

richardphat

So for the next proposal, which will be sending next week.

You can refer yourselves to this

http://www.opennavyfield.com/smf/index.php?topic=108.0

For better reading.

Courbet
1560
Bretagne
1500
Lorraine
1360
Paris
1757
Normandie
1749
Lyon
2001
Strassbourg
2250
Richelieu
3032

Alsace
4001

(May have done mistake by quick rewriting this fast)

Short brainstorming and those value just came from my head with quick analyzing.

Courbet Let's try 2000/2200 It has much firepowered compared to BB1. It currently
do 42 knots and have AA. Small hitbox.

Bretagne Let's try 2000/2200 It has 5 R slot per side. Small hitbox. 4 T guns per slot,
but those 4 T guns can do 180 degree.

Lorraine 2000/2200 The only ship that deserve to have the lowest in my opinion, for
BB2. Since it has 4 turrets only. Speed can be discussed along this. Only 2 T slot per
side and a small hitbox

Paris A remod.... very small hitbox. 5 gun per broadside. Less firepower than Lyon,
also it has AA.
I suggest somwhere 2200 to 2400.

Normandie 2200 to 2400 Justified by small hitbox. Massive damage but less than
Lyon. It has AA, but also slightly faster.
Should we increase to Lyon is the discussion.

Lyon 2400/2500 Justified by having a small hitbox. Massive damage . Though it is
slow, we musn't forget that it has also AA.

Strasbourg to 2600/2800 (note this significant increased, is due to the turning force
it's getting and extreme thin profile. I believe this ship deserve well enough to be
able to dodge much easier than other bb3. That alone should be the advantage
and "can't hit me" ability. Plus the speed buff it's getting (47 knots with 120 crew). I
think it is well suited.

Richelieu (Borderline acceptable, though I feel it could be around 3200 since it has
fantastic AA, and it's having damage buff)
But we will see how the patch will turn out to be.

Alsace ( Final shot will be done with bb5 patch. So if next weeks, you see
something wrong, just tell yourself it isn't done yet)

Suggestion, comment, feel something outrageous. Discuss here.

Plus, I stop giving much effort providing the exact value. Takes too much ressources
and I am leaving this to you, so you decide the shot.

Re : MN submegence last shot,live patch.
06. 03. 2011 10:49

richardphat	Looks like you are interpreting too much on your own, russia. He said "with the DP buff", and you are making the whole drama as if we "buff the ship" with that only. I am pretty sure you know that we got ammo bind fix, unless, you just jump in this thread without being informed. The spread buff in bb3,4,5,6 it got. Also, stop bringing L2, as an excuse. We know for age that bb5 needs to be worked on. It's not a ship must be that way, that another ship should be similar.

richardphat

Looks like you are interpreting too much on your own, russia.

He said "with the DP buff", and you are making the whole drama as if we "buff the ship"
with that only.

I am pretty sure you know that we got ammo bind fix, unless, you just jump in this thread
without being informed.

The spread buff in bb3,4,5,6 it got.

Also, stop bringing L2, as an excuse. We know for age that bb5 needs to be worked on.

It's not a ship must be that way, that another ship should be similar.

Re : MN submegence last shot,live patch.
06. 03. 2011 08:15

motherrussia	"Alsace, with the DP buff, needs to have a submergence nerf. Its pretty simple. " what DP you referring to? 30500 or the maximum DP? And poor DP of L2? well actually thats not the a problem but more of a con providing less APHC for it thus the awkwardly low submergence. Furthermore, L2 can still AW as much as it needs. 28550-> 30500 is not a buff but a must. For gods sake you call that a buff? it shouldve been "FIXED" like a year ago, even before MN was patched to the official server just like RU ships had this time. And now lets say you "Buffed" it to 30500, still the lowest of the tier even less than L2 28200 -> 31000. 28550 -> 30500. "JUST LOL" Is that all? after all this long awaiting for over a year? ljsevern.. Do you even have MN bb line? If you do, have you played them as much as other MN guys like me and Soverign, zxzxzx(sorry idk Neb server players) have? You have a bit of idea what it was like to undergo this crappy grind with unbalanced ships besides Paris? If you have completed MN bb grind, and know what i am talking about but still wants to nerf alsace, you are just a.... whatever but let me say this- If you have a whit of conscience, You woulnYou wouldnt be this willing to bring alsace down like this and wouldnt really say this a buff but a sorry-for-too-late-balancing

motherrussia

"Alsace, with the DP buff, needs to have a submergence nerf. Its pretty simple. "
what DP you referring to? 30500 or the maximum DP?
And poor DP of L2? well actually thats not the a problem but more of a con providing less
APHC for it thus the awkwardly low submergence. Furthermore, L2 can still AW as much as it
needs.
28550-> 30500 is not a buff but a must. For gods sake you call that a buff? it shouldve
been "FIXED" like a year ago, even before MN was patched to the official server just like
RU ships had this time.
And now lets say you "Buffed" it to 30500, still the lowest
of the tier even less than L2
28200 -> 31000.
28550 -> 30500. "JUST LOL" Is that all? after all this long awaiting for over a year?
ljsevern.. Do you even have MN bb line? If you do, have you played them as much as other
MN guys like me and Soverign, zxzxzx(sorry idk Neb server players) have?
You have a bit of idea what it was like to undergo this crappy grind with unbalanced ships
besides Paris? If you have completed MN bb grind, and know what i am talking about but
still wants to nerf alsace, you are just a.... whatever but let me say this-
If you have a whit of conscience, You woulnYou wouldnt be this willing to bring alsace down
like this and wouldnt really say this a buff but a sorry-for-too-late-balancing

Re : MN submegence last shot,live patch.
06. 03. 2011 01:15

ljsevern	L2 isn't as off as you think; The problem with it, is that it is a US ship with UK properties. For a UK ship, it has BB4 submergence, which fits into the traits. On top of that, it has poor DP, which doesn't fit into the traits. Alsace, with the DP buff, needs to have a submergence nerf. Its pretty simple.

Re : MN submegence last shot,live patch.
06. 02. 2011 20:32

motherrussia	In my opinion, the submergence for alsace doesnt need to be increased. still, if increased, > 4200. More than anything, L2 submergence needs to be fixed for the tier.

Re : MN submegence last shot,live patch.
06. 02. 2011 20:23

motherrussia	"The main problem with waiting is that there are some ships that are completely off, such as the IM. " Yeah, esp. L2 as well

Re : MN submegence last shot,live patch.
05. 30. 2011 22:53

ljsevern	The main problem with your proposals Angus is, why are those changes going in? What reasoning do you have for them? Put your reasons; e.g. T-slot changes due to space increase of the AA guns.

Re : MN submegence last shot,live patch.
05. 30. 2011 15:49

angus725	Most of the patch notes I want to get sent should be sent in asap, the I have everything excluding perfecting the 12" guns, and the submergence stuff in there.

Re : MN submegence last shot,live patch.
05. 30. 2011 14:02

mailman	I originally wanted to send it in tonight, but we can wait a bit... that would mean we wont have an update this weekend though... But maybe that's better, so we can go over the SN BB345 guns also.. MM

Re : MN submegence last shot,live patch.
05. 30. 2011 13:02

ljsevern	The list was main server values MM. I'm not sure what the current values are on the test server. I'm going to need to look at some of the other ship stats regarding submergence. When is the deadline for the next patch request?

Re : MN submegence last shot,live patch.
05. 30. 2011 11:47

richardphat	Good, finally we can pull a discussion. Since, this won't require testing session, much more of a discussion, I am curious how it will turns out to be

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