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  • Upcoming Proposal (WIP) - June 5th (updated)

    06. 03. 2011 07:23

mailman
Ship:

BB Alsace: Large T space: 153 -> 139
BB Charlemagne: T space: 115 -> 87
BB Courbet: Normal Displacement: 5973 -> 15973
BB Courbet: Standard Displacement: 17189 -> 27189
BB Courbet: Maximum Displacement: 26000 -> 36000
BB Bretagne: Normal Displacement: 3320 -> 13320
BB Bretagne: Standard Displacement: 18230 -> 28230
BB Bretagne: Maximum Displacement: 25000 -> 35000
BB Lorraine: Normal Displacement: 7739 -> 19559
BB Lorraine: Standard Displacement:20230 -> 32050
BB Lorraine: Maximum Displacement: 28180 -> 40000
BB Paris: Normal Displacement: 8524 -> 21232
BB Paris: Standard Displacement: 19850 -> 32558
BB Paris : Maximum Displacement: 29292 -> 42000
BB Normandie: Normal Displacement: 9184 -> 20034
BB Normandie: Standard Displacement: 25230 -> 36080
BB Normandie: Maximum Displacement: 29150 -> 40000
BB Lyon: Normal Displacement: 8472 -> 15122
BB Lyon: Standard Displacement: 29000 -> 35650
BB Lyon: Maximum Displacement: 33350 -> 40000
BB Strasbourg: Normal Displacement: 13622 -> 24522
BB Strasbourg: Standard Displacement: 26500 -> 37400
BB Strasbourg: Maximum Displacement: 37500 -> 48400
BB Richelieu (1939): Normal Displacement: 17475 -> 25475
BB Richelieu (1939): Standard Displacement: 35000 -> 43000
BB Richelieu (1939): Maximum Displacement: 50548 -> 58548
BB Alsace: Normal Displacement: 17084 -> 20394
BB Alsace: Standard Displacement: 45700 -> 49010
BB Alsace: Maximum Displacement: 66690 -> 70000
CA Maxim Gorky: Armor weight constant increase by 30%
CA Kirov: Armor weight constant increase by 30%
SN CA Maxim Gorky: Turning force: 25 -> 18
SN CA Kirov: Turning force: 25 -> 19
BB Gangut: OH ratio: 34% -> 40%
BB Stalingrad: OH ratio: 30% -> 35%
BB Imperatritsa Mariya: OH ratio: 35% -> 40%
SN BB Gangut level: 67 -> 65
SN BB Izmail level: 68 -> 66


Guns:

MN Lvl 120 x4 18.89 /45 Cal Model 1945 (BB6 guns): HE damage: 1500 -> 1450
SN Lvl 91 x3 16"/50 B-37 Pattern 1937: Gun angle: 40 -> 45 (only change this, range can
change, that뭩 no problem)
SN Lvl 89 x3 12?/62 SM-33 Pattern 1948: Shell weight: 1050 -> 550 (to fix the insane
penetration on these shells?we know other guns will be affected. Might have to deal with
that after this change)
MN Lvl 15 x2 3.5"/50 cal Model 1926: reload time: 0.8 -> 1.2
SN Lvl 36 2x 6"/57 B-38 MK-17 Pattern 1938: maximum angle: 45 -> 85
SN lv 38 2x 8"/50 Pattern 1905, 1x 8"/50 Pattern 1905: reload: 10.00-> 8.0
SN lv 38 2x 8"/50 Pattern 1905: Accuracy +1
SN lv 52 2x 10": range: Current-> lv 58 12" Pattern 1877 (do this via gun as we think it
shares shells with another gun)
SN lv 78 x3 12?B-36 Pattern 1937: Accuracy bonus -1
SN lv 67 3x 12"/52 pattern 1906: level: 67 -> 65
SN lv 67 3x 12"/52 pattern 1906: Accuracy: +1
SN lv 68 x3 14"/52 Pattern 1913: level: 68 -> 66
SN lv 68 x3 14"/52 Pattern 1913: 15.76 -> 16.68
SN lv 68 x3 14"/52 Pattern 1913: Accuracy +1


Special:

Richelieu big T slot firing arcs... (turrets should be able to rotate 360 degrees like all
T slots...)


SN New gunset: (For BB1, to make it less useless, which it is with the current guns, no
one uses it)
3x 12"/52 pattern 1904
1. Turet Type: x3
2. Req. Ability: Heavy
3. Level: 63
4. Cost: 23000
5. Weight: 1400.0 t
6. Space: 260
7. Caliber: 12.00
8. Train Speed: +35
9. Muzzle Velocity: 800
10. Reload Speed: 13.00
11. (Max.) High Angle: 40
12. Range: same as SN lv 61 2x 12"/40 Pattern 1895
13. Shells: Same shells stats as SN lv 67 3x 12"/52 pattern 1906
14. Sprite: The same sprite used for the SN lv 67 3x 12"/52 pattern 1906



--- explanation/reasoning:
1+2. Quad AA (or trip) on these T slots is way to much. Need to be dropped to duals.
3. All SN high lvl guns are @ 45 degreees, and this should fix the range roughly as we
want it.
4. penetration on these shells is to much. Let's see what the lower shellmass does. Values
are the ones richard recommended. This will also affect both BB3, we will ahve to deal
with that later.
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  • Re : Upcoming Proposal (WIP) - June 5th (updated)

    06. 06. 2011 23:07

angus725
That submergence value is similar to the vanguard's isn't it?

With the speed and damage it has, it seems justified to me.

  • Re : Upcoming Proposal (WIP) - June 5th (updated)

    06. 06. 2011 19:24

richardphat
Shouldn't give richelieu that high value, when most bb3 outdamage Richelieu, when it has
lowest bb4 range. Actually, close to bismarck.

The submergence was there to prevent higher tier bb from enjoying to oneshot the lower
one. Now, we just open the gate to "Nuke me"

  • Re : Upcoming Proposal (WIP) - June 5th (updated)

    06. 06. 2011 18:59

ljsevern
What are the corresponding APHC values for all those displacement changes?

  • Re : Upcoming Proposal (WIP) - June 5th (updated)

    06. 06. 2011 07:54

NIborGER
CV Arromanches: R slots 3, 4: Firing arcs: current -> 270

was in the last patch proposal but wasnt patched.

  • Re : Upcoming Proposal (WIP) - June 5th (updated)

    06. 06. 2011 06:21

Gtdawg
Leave the original nation BB4s alone, please.

  • Re : Upcoming Proposal (WIP) - June 5th (updated)

    06. 06. 2011 03:19

NIborGER
to be honest (i have a kaiser) H39 is one of the best bb4s. At lvl the spread is a bit
tricky but for iowa too and with 42 knots u are one of the fast bb4s too. the dmg is just
a bit below average and the range advantage is a real one, not a theoretical as for h44.
Besides i think for 120gunners the spread is very useable.

PS:
-SN SN_Sevastopol -2base speed
( if i recall correctly usn goes 42 and sn one goes 45 right now)
-SN Sevastopol -1/2 accuracy
(I feel like it has much better spread then USN seva but i might be mistaken)

  • Re : Upcoming Proposal (WIP) - June 5th (updated)

    06. 05. 2011 22:56

KINGS11
Counter KM? That ship is still counter everything..

  • Re : Upcoming Proposal (WIP) - June 5th (updated)

    06. 05. 2011 22:45

angus725
Oh, is it possible to buff the H39's spread by +1? IMO, it's the only thing that is wrong
with it, even with 120 gunners, the spread is often very random.

It'll help KM players who will for sure complain that there is now another counter KM
ship in the BB4 tier.

  • Re : Upcoming Proposal (WIP) - June 5th (updated)

    06. 05. 2011 22:13

ljsevern
The point is, this is to patch the alsace to the current BB5's, as we won't be touching the
BB5's until after.

Either way, the Alsace has far too much firepower/speed and good AA to have the ability to
armour whore imo.

  • Re : Upcoming Proposal (WIP) - June 5th (updated)

    06. 05. 2011 19:37

richardphat
H44 will be fixed anyways, with the shells consistency, we're directly going to play
with other side effect such as armour piercing. But we have few more patch left.

I don't want to nuke to the extreme on the first patch, this won't be the final yet

Edit.

Oh well, on a second thought there is no guarentee that they will double patch the armour
value. Down to 7.3deck
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