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Upcoming Proposal (WIP) - June 5th (updated)
06. 03. 2011 07:23

mailman	Ship: BB Alsace: Large T space: 153 -> 139 BB Charlemagne: T space: 115 -> 87 BB Courbet: Normal Displacement: 5973 -> 15973 BB Courbet: Standard Displacement: 17189 -> 27189 BB Courbet: Maximum Displacement: 26000 -> 36000 BB Bretagne: Normal Displacement: 3320 -> 13320 BB Bretagne: Standard Displacement: 18230 -> 28230 BB Bretagne: Maximum Displacement: 25000 -> 35000 BB Lorraine: Normal Displacement: 7739 -> 19559 BB Lorraine: Standard Displacement:20230 -> 32050 BB Lorraine: Maximum Displacement: 28180 -> 40000 BB Paris: Normal Displacement: 8524 -> 21232 BB Paris: Standard Displacement: 19850 -> 32558 BB Paris : Maximum Displacement: 29292 -> 42000 BB Normandie: Normal Displacement: 9184 -> 20034 BB Normandie: Standard Displacement: 25230 -> 36080 BB Normandie: Maximum Displacement: 29150 -> 40000 BB Lyon: Normal Displacement: 8472 -> 15122 BB Lyon: Standard Displacement: 29000 -> 35650 BB Lyon: Maximum Displacement: 33350 -> 40000 BB Strasbourg: Normal Displacement: 13622 -> 24522 BB Strasbourg: Standard Displacement: 26500 -> 37400 BB Strasbourg: Maximum Displacement: 37500 -> 48400 BB Richelieu (1939): Normal Displacement: 17475 -> 25475 BB Richelieu (1939): Standard Displacement: 35000 -> 43000 BB Richelieu (1939): Maximum Displacement: 50548 -> 58548 BB Alsace: Normal Displacement: 17084 -> 20394 BB Alsace: Standard Displacement: 45700 -> 49010 BB Alsace: Maximum Displacement: 66690 -> 70000 CA Maxim Gorky: Armor weight constant increase by 30% CA Kirov: Armor weight constant increase by 30% SN CA Maxim Gorky: Turning force: 25 -> 18 SN CA Kirov: Turning force: 25 -> 19 BB Gangut: OH ratio: 34% -> 40% BB Stalingrad: OH ratio: 30% -> 35% BB Imperatritsa Mariya: OH ratio: 35% -> 40% SN BB Gangut level: 67 -> 65 SN BB Izmail level: 68 -> 66 Guns: MN Lvl 120 x4 18.89 /45 Cal Model 1945 (BB6 guns): HE damage: 1500 -> 1450 SN Lvl 91 x3 16"/50 B-37 Pattern 1937: Gun angle: 40 -> 45 (only change this, range can change, that뭩 no problem) SN Lvl 89 x3 12?/62 SM-33 Pattern 1948: Shell weight: 1050 -> 550 (to fix the insane penetration on these shells?we know other guns will be affected. Might have to deal with that after this change) MN Lvl 15 x2 3.5"/50 cal Model 1926: reload time: 0.8 -> 1.2 SN Lvl 36 2x 6"/57 B-38 MK-17 Pattern 1938: maximum angle: 45 -> 85 SN lv 38 2x 8"/50 Pattern 1905, 1x 8"/50 Pattern 1905: reload: 10.00-> 8.0 SN lv 38 2x 8"/50 Pattern 1905: Accuracy +1 SN lv 52 2x 10": range: Current-> lv 58 12" Pattern 1877 (do this via gun as we think it shares shells with another gun) SN lv 78 x3 12?B-36 Pattern 1937: Accuracy bonus -1 SN lv 67 3x 12"/52 pattern 1906: level: 67 -> 65 SN lv 67 3x 12"/52 pattern 1906: Accuracy: +1 SN lv 68 x3 14"/52 Pattern 1913: level: 68 -> 66 SN lv 68 x3 14"/52 Pattern 1913: 15.76 -> 16.68 SN lv 68 x3 14"/52 Pattern 1913: Accuracy +1 Special: Richelieu big T slot firing arcs... (turrets should be able to rotate 360 degrees like all T slots...) SN New gunset: (For BB1, to make it less useless, which it is with the current guns, no one uses it) 3x 12"/52 pattern 1904 1. Turet Type: x3 2. Req. Ability: Heavy 3. Level: 63 4. Cost: 23000 5. Weight: 1400.0 t 6. Space: 260 7. Caliber: 12.00 8. Train Speed: +35 9. Muzzle Velocity: 800 10. Reload Speed: 13.00 11. (Max.) High Angle: 40 12. Range: same as SN lv 61 2x 12"/40 Pattern 1895 13. Shells: Same shells stats as SN lv 67 3x 12"/52 pattern 1906 14. Sprite: The same sprite used for the SN lv 67 3x 12"/52 pattern 1906 --- explanation/reasoning: 1+2. Quad AA (or trip) on these T slots is way to much. Need to be dropped to duals. 3. All SN high lvl guns are @ 45 degreees, and this should fix the range roughly as we want it. 4. penetration on these shells is to much. Let's see what the lower shellmass does. Values are the ones richard recommended. This will also affect both BB3, we will ahve to deal with that later.

mailman

Ship:

BB Alsace: Large T space: 153 -> 139
BB Charlemagne: T space: 115 -> 87
BB Courbet: Normal Displacement: 5973 -> 15973
BB Courbet: Standard Displacement: 17189 -> 27189
BB Courbet: Maximum Displacement: 26000 -> 36000
BB Bretagne: Normal Displacement: 3320 -> 13320
BB Bretagne: Standard Displacement: 18230 -> 28230
BB Bretagne: Maximum Displacement: 25000 -> 35000
BB Lorraine: Normal Displacement: 7739 -> 19559
BB Lorraine: Standard Displacement:20230 -> 32050
BB Lorraine: Maximum Displacement: 28180 -> 40000
BB Paris: Normal Displacement: 8524 -> 21232
BB Paris: Standard Displacement: 19850 -> 32558
BB Paris : Maximum Displacement: 29292 -> 42000
BB Normandie: Normal Displacement: 9184 -> 20034
BB Normandie: Standard Displacement: 25230 -> 36080
BB Normandie: Maximum Displacement: 29150 -> 40000
BB Lyon: Normal Displacement: 8472 -> 15122
BB Lyon: Standard Displacement: 29000 -> 35650
BB Lyon: Maximum Displacement: 33350 -> 40000
BB Strasbourg: Normal Displacement: 13622 -> 24522
BB Strasbourg: Standard Displacement: 26500 -> 37400
BB Strasbourg: Maximum Displacement: 37500 -> 48400
BB Richelieu (1939): Normal Displacement: 17475 -> 25475
BB Richelieu (1939): Standard Displacement: 35000 -> 43000
BB Richelieu (1939): Maximum Displacement: 50548 -> 58548
BB Alsace: Normal Displacement: 17084 -> 20394
BB Alsace: Standard Displacement: 45700 -> 49010
BB Alsace: Maximum Displacement: 66690 -> 70000
CA Maxim Gorky: Armor weight constant increase by 30%
CA Kirov: Armor weight constant increase by 30%
SN CA Maxim Gorky: Turning force: 25 -> 18
SN CA Kirov: Turning force: 25 -> 19
BB Gangut: OH ratio: 34% -> 40%
BB Stalingrad: OH ratio: 30% -> 35%
BB Imperatritsa Mariya: OH ratio: 35% -> 40%
SN BB Gangut level: 67 -> 65
SN BB Izmail level: 68 -> 66

Guns:

MN Lvl 120 x4 18.89 /45 Cal Model 1945 (BB6 guns): HE damage: 1500 -> 1450
SN Lvl 91 x3 16"/50 B-37 Pattern 1937: Gun angle: 40 -> 45 (only change this, range can
change, that뭩 no problem)
SN Lvl 89 x3 12?/62 SM-33 Pattern 1948: Shell weight: 1050 -> 550 (to fix the insane
penetration on these shells?we know other guns will be affected. Might have to deal with
that after this change)
MN Lvl 15 x2 3.5"/50 cal Model 1926: reload time: 0.8 -> 1.2
SN Lvl 36 2x 6"/57 B-38 MK-17 Pattern 1938: maximum angle: 45 -> 85
SN lv 38 2x 8"/50 Pattern 1905, 1x 8"/50 Pattern 1905: reload: 10.00-> 8.0
SN lv 38 2x 8"/50 Pattern 1905: Accuracy +1
SN lv 52 2x 10": range: Current-> lv 58 12" Pattern 1877 (do this via gun as we think it
shares shells with another gun)
SN lv 78 x3 12?B-36 Pattern 1937: Accuracy bonus -1
SN lv 67 3x 12"/52 pattern 1906: level: 67 -> 65
SN lv 67 3x 12"/52 pattern 1906: Accuracy: +1
SN lv 68 x3 14"/52 Pattern 1913: level: 68 -> 66
SN lv 68 x3 14"/52 Pattern 1913: 15.76 -> 16.68
SN lv 68 x3 14"/52 Pattern 1913: Accuracy +1

Special:

Richelieu big T slot firing arcs... (turrets should be able to rotate 360 degrees like all
T slots...)

SN New gunset: (For BB1, to make it less useless, which it is with the current guns, no
one uses it)
3x 12"/52 pattern 1904
1. Turet Type: x3
2. Req. Ability: Heavy
3. Level: 63
4. Cost: 23000
5. Weight: 1400.0 t
6. Space: 260
7. Caliber: 12.00
8. Train Speed: +35
9. Muzzle Velocity: 800
10. Reload Speed: 13.00
11. (Max.) High Angle: 40
12. Range: same as SN lv 61 2x 12"/40 Pattern 1895
13. Shells: Same shells stats as SN lv 67 3x 12"/52 pattern 1906
14. Sprite: The same sprite used for the SN lv 67 3x 12"/52 pattern 1906

--- explanation/reasoning:
1+2. Quad AA (or trip) on these T slots is way to much. Need to be dropped to duals.
3. All SN high lvl guns are @ 45 degreees, and this should fix the range roughly as we
want it.
4. penetration on these shells is to much. Let's see what the lower shellmass does. Values
are the ones richard recommended. This will also affect both BB3, we will ahve to deal
with that later.

Re : Upcoming Proposal (WIP) - June 5th (updated)
06. 05. 2011 15:42

ljsevern	Not with the damage, small size and AA it has...

Re : Upcoming Proposal (WIP) - June 5th (updated)
06. 05. 2011 15:38

angus725	It would be better to re-balance the L2 to a L1 of BB5s than to make the Alsace that.

Re : Upcoming Proposal (WIP) - June 5th (updated)
06. 05. 2011 14:58

NIborGER	hmmm.. maybe see a chance in it and let Alsace with lvl 100 guns be the Lion 1 of the BB5s? Thats just a thought of mine. Because right now its faster then (as fast as) any other bb5, has rather short range and can be AWed (more or less effectivly). So to me it seems to be more A UK ship then Lion 2 is. So maybe spent a thought about allowing the Alsace to be a more effective AW so its the Lion1/POW of the BB5s

NIborGER

hmmm.. maybe see a chance in it and let Alsace with lvl 100 guns be the Lion 1 of the
BB5s? Thats just a thought of mine. Because right now its faster then (as fast as) any
other bb5, has rather short range and can be AWed (more or less effectivly). So to me it
seems to be more A UK ship then Lion 2 is. So maybe spent a thought about allowing the
Alsace to be a more effective AW so its the Lion1/POW of the BB5s

Re : Upcoming Proposal (WIP) - June 5th (updated)
06. 05. 2011 13:15

ljsevern	Alsace deck armour needs nerfing more than that Richard, due to H44 poor penetration.

Re : Upcoming Proposal (WIP) - June 5th (updated)
06. 05. 2011 12:16

angus725	MN Lvl 15 x2 3.5"/50 cal Model 1926: reload time: 0.8 -> ~1.2

Re : Upcoming Proposal (WIP) - June 5th (updated)
06. 05. 2011 11:30

mailman	Gun arcs for richy are in, and some more things, need to update the post... will do soon. MM

Re : Upcoming Proposal (WIP) - June 3rd
06. 05. 2011 10:25

richardphat	Yes, we know KM AA is overpowered and need a nerf bat. The quad dual guns are fine, but the set up on some ship isn't.

Re : Upcoming Proposal (WIP) - June 3rd
06. 05. 2011 09:56

NIborGER	hmm.. well but thus they have rather long reload and with a golden angle of 34 they have much shorter range then KM40 which can be devasting on a h44 or kaiser too.

Re : Upcoming Proposal (WIP) - June 3rd
06. 05. 2011 09:48

richardphat	@Nibor, because it is overpowererd. Alsace with quad dual set up,nuke everythin with one salvo. A whole squadron of bombers, fighter, are completely whipped or left by 1-2 is a big problem. Project 24 Normal displacement 50 000 → 51 500 ** The ability to gimp and goes 37 knots too easily. You can kill few rookies off a bo or pilots, to achieve it. It was meant to do 35 knots. Even if it goes 37, the least we could let it is to hardcore gimp, but then it is a delicate subject. In which I won't go much in it* Alsace Deck value 2139->2783 To prevent the ability to armoured with massive firepower with 2 guns only. With the spread buff an d' ammo buff receiving, one should not be able to aw effectively. As MN trait is speed, AA and rush and not armoured rush. This will give the alsace about 7,3 deck at lvl 120 Richelieu (New 3 T slot) T slot number 9 ---> 360 degree T slot number 10 and 11 → 180 degree This will allows richelieu to have constantly 2 big guns firing, and not having simultaneous 3 guns firing. Stalingrad T slot 5,6,7,8 180 → 165 degree (why do we just throw randomly 180 degree arc of fire?) Pss, some T slot will still be able to do 180 Imperatrista Mariya All T slot 180 → 165 degree (why do we just throw randomly 180 degree arc of fire?) Gangut All T slot → 165 degree arc of fire(why do we just throw randomly 180 degree arc of fire?) Kronsdtadt All T slot → 165 degree (frankly, what's the point of making a ship worse aa platform than another SN line when they both have fantastic platform already) Izmail All T slot 180 → 165 degree (why do we just throw randomly 180 degree arc of fire?)

richardphat

@Nibor, because it is overpowererd.

Alsace with quad dual set up,nuke everythin with one salvo. A whole squadron of bombers,
fighter, are completely whipped or left by 1-2 is a big problem.

Project 24
Normal displacement 50 000 → 51 500
** The ability to gimp and goes 37 knots too easily. You can kill few rookies off a bo or
pilots, to achieve it. It was meant to do 35 knots. Even if it goes 37, the least we could
let it is to hardcore gimp, but then it is a delicate subject. In which I won't go much in it*

Alsace
Deck value 2139->2783
**To prevent the ability to armoured with massive firepower with 2 guns only. With the
spread buff an d' ammo buff receiving, one should not be able to aw effectively. As MN
trait is speed, AA and rush and not armoured rush. This will give the alsace about 7,3
deck at lvl 120**

Richelieu (New 3 T slot)
T slot number 9 ---> 360 degree
T slot number 10 and 11 → 180 degree
This will allows richelieu to have constantly 2 big guns firing, and not having
simultaneous 3 guns firing.

Stalingrad
T slot 5,6,7,8 180 → 165 degree (why do we just throw randomly 180 degree arc of fire?)
Pss, some T slot will still be able to do 180

Imperatrista Mariya
All T slot 180 → 165 degree (why do we just throw randomly 180 degree arc of fire?)

Gangut
All T slot → 165 degree arc of fire(why do we just throw randomly 180 degree arc of fire?)

Kronsdtadt
All T slot → 165 degree (frankly, what's the point of making a ship worse aa platform
than another SN line when they both have fantastic platform already)

Izmail
All T slot 180 → 165 degree (why do we just throw randomly 180 degree arc of fire?)

Re : Upcoming Proposal (WIP) - June 3rd
06. 05. 2011 09:17

NIborGER	1. BB Alsace: Large T space: 153 -> 86 why? arent the new two gunsets ment to be used on the larger richel and alsace t-slots? So why changing this now.

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