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  • Wisconsin debate

    03. 11. 2011 08:59

Infern_oh
So who agrees with Scott Walker? Or even knows whats going on in Wisconsin?
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  • Re : Wisconsin debate

    03. 11. 2011 17:01

Nightcrept
@kings
If something has been hidden in the bill as you say then that is indeed a shame.

But I can't help but agree with the parts of the bill I know of.

The unions can still fight over their pay but they have to now pay closer to the same
amount for their benefits as non union workers.

I see this as evening out the field between union and non union workers.

  • Re : Wisconsin debate

    03. 11. 2011 16:13

Santoss
It was just a scheme to break the unions and stop them from using the unions to
get actual information out to government workers and and the regular citizen. The
republicans even said so on television. This country disgusts me.

  • Re : Wisconsin debate

    03. 11. 2011 16:11

OttoReinhold
Now the anti-communism attitude pays off for the upper class. I bet you they'll start
slinging comunism slurrs as soon as people raise their voices.

  • Re : Wisconsin debate

    03. 11. 2011 16:03

KINGS11
What really bothers me is these Multi Billion dollar companies you have based in and out
of the United States, selling there products and in some cases developing them on US Soil,
but hiding there money in off shore accounts and using said accounts to avoid paying taxes.

  • Re : Wisconsin debate

    03. 11. 2011 15:58

KINGS11
If Unions are so bad, why did we lobby so hard to get them in the first place?

They're in place to protect the working class from the Corporate and Rich classes.

I completely disagree with what Walker did, as the unions were willing to give him his
budget cuts to maintain there bargaining rights and abilities, and he flat out rejected
that. It is complete bashing of the middle class.

The law he slipped in that allows him to sell off Public Assets with out a bidding or even
announcing a sale to private owners.... seriously?

Oh just a little fyi for the evil of Unions, want to tell me why the Chinese poor but
working class (the class manufacturing everything we use today), has started to Unionize
and are fighting for better pay, benefits etc?

Jobs have to be unionized for certain things and that is ok in my books.

I am currently take Tool Making (Tool and Die Maker/CNC Machinist/Programmer) and the jobs
I qualify for are 10.75 (minimum wage) - 14$ tops in a non unionized shop.

Well if I get into a Unionized shop I automatically start at 18$ with my experience, I
receive benefits, and funds are put into a pension or RRSP on my behalf.

I currently work at a shop and make 12$ an hour, as I'm told I'm not experienced "enough".
Yet I can walk in to majority of the machines in that shop, turn them on, dial them and
produce parts that in 1-3 cycles have already paid my wage + some on the day and I may run
20+ cycles in that day.

Whats happening across the United States is a war on the middle class to reduce budgets
and deficits. At the same point in time they are reducing the taxes on the rich.
If you make 10x the money of someone else you can afford giving up more percentage wise
and still
maintaining a better life style, or that life style more easily.

This is pure and simply greed.

  • Re : Wisconsin debate

    03. 11. 2011 15:03

frfghtr560
I agree with Walker with allowing people to make the choice about joining a union. I dont
agree completely how it was handled thus far from either party member(s). I have worked a
couple of jobs that if you didnt join the union, then it was next to impossible to advance
or even get anything decent out of the job. Unions have proven to be a good idea and
opposite to many business that are only out for money and can care less about the worker
that makes them the money. So looking at both sides of the coin, allowing people to
choose if they want to join a union is a good thing for many Americans because there are
plenty of people who do not care about a union and only want to do their job, make their
money and go home.

  • Re : Wisconsin debate

    03. 11. 2011 13:08

MeNoChinese
I agree with Walker only because the Unions although they help guarantee rights,
are corrupted. They make their members march regardless of political opinion, they
have crazy high benefits, and they collect dues from members who don't want to be
members. They should make joining all unions optional imo.

  • Re : Wisconsin debate

    03. 11. 2011 12:46

Willg210
Why would you want to opt out of a union? The people have made very clear what they want,
even shown in a fox news "poll".

  • Re : Wisconsin debate

    03. 11. 2011 12:34

Nightcrept
How is walker allowing people to opt out of the unions all about corporations?

  • Re : Wisconsin debate

    03. 11. 2011 11:59

Willg210
Its not about the budget, its all about politics. Of the top 10 contributors in the US 6
are republican (all of which are large corporations or billionaires). The other 4 are
Unions and contribute to democrats. Kill of the uni .ons = win the elections.

Also, Scott Walker has been bought by people who are employers and thus don't like
unions. I don't see how you could possibly see this as a good thing?

Scott Walker is making the working people pay for tax cuts for the rich.
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